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To: BroJoeK
Not going to indulge this assertion. The Declaration of Independence makes it very clear that the sole deciders of whether or not a people should have independence, is the people themselves.

That literally means "at pleasure."

596 posted on 08/08/2022 8:07:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "Not going to indulge this assertion. "

That's because you are still a Democrat at heart, and Democrats just can't listen to reason that doesn't confirm their pervious opinions.

DiogenesLamp: "The Declaration of Independence makes it very clear that the sole deciders of whether or not a people should have independence, is the people themselves."

Not at all -- the Declaration is all about "necessity" created by British abuse & oppressions, a "parade of horribles" which it lists in detail.
It begins with the very words, "When... it becomes necessary..." and even notes that "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes...".

Those are our Founders' honest beliefs, which you dismiss as irrelevant.
They went on to say:

And now we see their "necessary" conditions -- abuses, usurpations, absolute Despotism & tyranny, which again you dismiss as irrelevant.

So when such intolerable conditions exist, then:

So there was nothing "at pleasure" about what our Founders did in 1776.
However, in 1788, it was 100% "at pleasure" in "seceding" from the old Articles to the new Constitution and that's why it was done by mutual consent.

Bottom line: our Founders practiced revolution from necessity and they made "at pleasure" changes by mutual consent.

In 1861 there was neither "necessity" nor "mutual consent" and so our Founders would not have supported such secession "at pleasure".

598 posted on 08/08/2022 1:15:38 PM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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