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To: DiogenesLamp
Ayn said nothing about the Civil War.

As I recall, senators were equally appropriated between North and South states, with the Southern states all slaving states. In fact, new state admissions had to be split between free and slave, to keep this symmetry.

However, the South had a perverse advantage over all free states in representation, because they got 3/5ths benefit from every slave they could create (breed) or import in, while the North wasn't benefiting from that.

I think the OP is blind to the truth, because he's proven he's blind to what Ayn said “about the Civil War.”

5 posted on 08/01/2022 9:06:07 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Ayn said nothing about the Civil War.

If Free Republic had a "like" button, I'd be mashing it right now.

8 posted on 08/01/2022 9:10:30 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: ConservativeMind
Ayn said nothing about the Civil War.

But if you just “read between the lines”, there is no limit to possible interpretations.

11 posted on 08/01/2022 9:15:16 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: ConservativeMind

As I understand it, cotton and tobacco were the USA’s biggest exports before the Civil War, but somehow the North made more money off them than the South did.


14 posted on 08/01/2022 9:16:43 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: ConservativeMind

The proper sequence is to identify an event, then look for an explanation.
But it seems like here we’re starting with the explanation, then trying to tack it on to an event.

No disrespect meant to the original poster. Just my two cents.
And thanks to BidenInflation, two cents ain’t worth much anymore.


15 posted on 08/01/2022 9:16:49 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Women didn’t vote either while you’re at it


22 posted on 08/01/2022 9:19:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: ConservativeMind
Ayn said nothing about the Civil War.

The concept she articulated applies to all human societies throughout history. She simply articulated the social dynamics occurring in the leadup to the Civil War.

In fact, new state admissions had to be split between free and slave, to keep this symmetry.

One of the laws which did the most damage to the South was the "Navigation act of 1817." This law was passed with the support of Southern states which at the time could not see how this law would hand a monopoly over to Northeastern interests. By 1860, the coalition of Northern states could do anything they wanted and leave the South paying the bill. (The South produced 72% of the total trade with Europe, and all taxes came from trade with Europe.)

31 posted on 08/01/2022 9:25:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ConservativeMind
Since white women could not vote in the 1860s, did that 3/5ths apply only to Black males over a certain age?

For some reason, I never thought to ask that question when I was in high school and college in the 1960s.

41 posted on 08/01/2022 9:33:25 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: ConservativeMind
“However, the South had a perverse advantage over all free states in representation, because they got 3/5ths benefit from every slave they could create (breed) or import in, while the North wasn't benefiting from that.”

Didn't the 3/5ths compromise apply to all the slave states - north and south - at the time the constitution was ratified?

54 posted on 08/01/2022 9:48:41 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: ConservativeMind

There is never one reason for a war of any sort.

Many, many things went into the start of our civil war.


88 posted on 08/01/2022 10:13:50 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: ConservativeMind

“As I recall, senators were equally appropriated between North and South states...”

They were fewer Southern states, and yes, Southern cotton, etc. were being taxed and the money was spent in the North.


134 posted on 08/01/2022 11:19:14 AM PDT by odawg
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To: ConservativeMind

Well that is a yankee perspective. The north, a manufacturing economy, was essentially requiring the south, an agricultural economy to buy northern farm tools or pay high customs on cheaper English imported tools. The Feds sent the Star of the West to resupply Fort Sumter in Charleston S.C. harbor. Fort Sumter was there to enforce the customs tariffs. S.C. objected and drove the Star of the West out of Charleston Harbor by force. This was the first shots fired in the War between the States. Slavery had nothing to do with it. The 3/5’s comprise had been reached in congress by congress to keep the south in the union. Otherwise the southern less populated states would have no voice in a united government. And of course would have likely seceded. But as we know, a deal is not deal when it comes to politicians and money.


169 posted on 08/01/2022 12:16:55 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: ConservativeMind
As I recall, senators were equally appropriated between North and South states, with the Southern states all slaving states. In fact, new state admissions had to be split between free and slave, to keep this symmetry.

Come on, man! Tell the whole story. Let's get it straight.

In 1861 almost 80% of the population was in the northern states. There were 20 states in the north and 11 in the south. The northern states absolutely controlled congress -- period. They did exactly as Ayn Rand stated in that quote. In 1928 congress, controlled by the northern states, passed the "Tariff of Abomination," which shifted funds to the northern industrial states at the expense of the less populated rural and agrarian southern states.

The bottom line is the country was as divided in 1861 as it is today (although not exactly along geographical lines). Clearly, expansion of the southern way of life was a major part of the "War of Northern Aggression," and a big part of that war was exactly as described in the Ayn Rand quote -- benefits for the north at the expense of the south.

576 posted on 08/05/2022 7:37:01 AM PDT by icclearly
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