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To: BroJoeK
"Fair"?! But the only money "the North" ever "took" from "the South" were payments for goods & services freely contracted at, we must presume, the best available prices.

Wrong assumption right off the bat. Grossly overpriced goods and services that were made to appear cheaper than imports because of Washington DC policies favoring the North.

Remember American Buyers versus American Sellers? The Government was favoring the sellers... who also were wealthy and had great influence in Washington DC and the "elite" social circles. Same then as today.

And the tariff money obtained by people buying European goods was also sown right back into the North.

As for freeing their slaves through indentures, that was done a lot, especially in Border States where slavery itself was marginal economically. In Border States like Maryland about half of African Americans were freedmen. However... however... freeing slaves was done much less in Deep South states where slavery was seriously profitable and slaves in great demand.

Funny how profit drives everything. As i've said before, if they could have figured out a way to make a profit off of slavery, the Northern states would have kept it. They didn't seem to realize it was a great moral crises until it was no longer profitable.

And people wonder why i'm so cynical.

You can believe in money or the milk of human kindness, but my bet is that money wins every time.

We are still financing slavery in China today!

371 posted on 08/02/2022 2:28:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "Wrong assumption right off the bat.
Grossly overpriced goods and services that were made to appear cheaper than imports because of Washington DC policies favoring the North."

That's a wrong assumption right off the bat.
There was/is nothing "overpriced" about American goods produced in a free market.
US import tariffs protected all American manufacturers, and their workers, whether Northern, Eastern, Western or Southern.

DiogenesLamp: "Remember American Buyers versus American Sellers?
The Government was favoring the sellers... who also were wealthy and had great influence in Washington DC and the "elite" social circles.
Same then as today."

First off, in 1860 there were far more of wealthy Southern planters than there were of wealthy Northern industrialists.
Second, by 1860 those wealthy Southern planters (slavocrats) had ruled over Washington, DC, for nearly the entire 60 years, since the election Jefferson's Democrats in 1800.
Third, who 1860 Republicans favored & protected were their middle-class industrial worker voters.

DiogenesLamp: "And the tariff money obtained by people buying European goods was also sown right back into the North."

And that is yet another Southern Democrat Big Lie.
Of course, it's true, if you live in, say, South Carolina or Georgia and consider everywhere north of you to be "The North".
but for everyone else, that's just another typical Democrat Big Lie.

DiogenesLamp: "Funny how profit drives everything. As i've said before, if they could have figured out a way to make a profit off of slavery, the Northern states would have kept it.
They didn't seem to realize it was a great moral crises until it was no longer profitable.
And people wonder why i'm so cynical."

Naw... you're not "cynical", you're just a Democrat and Democrats always lie about everything, it's what you do to get through life.

The real truth is, whether slavery was "profitable" or not, Northern states began abolishing slavery within just a few years of the 1776 Declaration.
By 1860 there were only a handful of old-time "servants" among 22 million Northern whites & freedmen.

As for Americans' "great moral crisis" over slavery, that began at roughly the same time as Great Britain & other European powers abolished slavery in their own empires.
The "moral crisis" began in our churches, and included economic & political elements.

DiogenesLamp: "We are still financing slavery in China today!"

Democrats! It's always the Democrats. Don't be like them!

420 posted on 08/03/2022 6:45:30 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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