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The REAL cause of the Civil War.
Vanity | 1957 | Ayn Rand

Posted on 08/01/2022 9:00:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp

For some time I have wondered how to explain the cause of the Civil War in simple terms that are easy to understand. I now see that Ayn Rand did it years ago. Laws passed by a Northern controlled Congress routed all the money produced by the South into Northern "elite" pockets.


TOPICS: Education; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dimlamp; nicetry; revisionistnonsense; slavery; southerndems; stupidvanity; tryagain; whitesupremacy
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To: jmacusa

“Texas v. White, 1869 declared secession unconstitutional.”

Victors’ justice. Nothing more.


281 posted on 08/01/2022 9:03:45 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

No. The rule of law Reb.

Suck it up.


282 posted on 08/01/2022 9:04:53 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: jmacusa
Quite a lot of money, isn’t it? The South looked to be pretty well fixed.

Would have been, but the US government stole that money.

Couldn't have people challenging the economic dominance of DC and it's corrupt influencers from the Northeast.

283 posted on 08/01/2022 9:06:26 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
Texas v. White, 1869 declared secession unconstitutional.

Derick Chauvin murdered George Floyd.

We know.

284 posted on 08/01/2022 9:07:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
You're delusional.

The South launched a war and LOST!

Take your meds already.

285 posted on 08/01/2022 9:08:14 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: DiogenesLamp

🎓


286 posted on 08/01/2022 9:08:39 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: jmacusa
Southern paltroons, The Fire Eaters and slave owners fought to preserve slavery, simple as that.

That is certainly very simple.

V-e-r-y s-i-m-p-l-e.

287 posted on 08/01/2022 9:09:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Lincoln sent a fleet of warships to Charleston with orders to attack them.

Show me Lincoln’s orders for the warships to attack Charleston.


288 posted on 08/01/2022 9:10:53 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
No warships, Anderson evacuates without a fight a day later.

No war. At least until Porter starts it in Pensacola.

Lincoln was going to have his war. He needed that war.

289 posted on 08/01/2022 9:10:59 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
And it's the truth.

Secession and the Confederacy did NOTHING to improve the lives and economy of ordinary Southerners.

In the end it ruined them.

290 posted on 08/01/2022 9:11:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: jmacusa
The South launched a war and LOST!

I see you are still being simple.

S-i-m-p-l-e.

291 posted on 08/01/2022 9:12:30 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
I've done so several times. Why do you keep forgetting them?
292 posted on 08/01/2022 9:13:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The first warship “Harriet Lane” arrived and fired on the Nashville.

Nashville was sailing without a national flag and without the customary navigation lighting. Any warship in anyone’s navy would have fire a shot across her bow to determine nationality and intent. Once she identified herself and lit her navigation lights, she was allowed to proceed into Charleston harbor.


293 posted on 08/01/2022 9:14:10 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: jmacusa
Secession and the Confederacy did NOTHING to improve the lives and economy of ordinary Southerners.

Well not after northern states invaded them and killed them. The problem with their lives had nothing to do with the Confederacy and everything to do with being attacked by people who wouldn't leave them alone.

But for a brief period between November of 1860 and March of 1861, their lives improved quite a lot. New businesses were opening up and money was streaming into their cities. All the hotels in their cities were full up and construction was began on new warehouses, hotels, docks and various other businesses.

But yes, if unwanted government thugs start killing people, it tends to make their lives worse.

294 posted on 08/01/2022 9:17:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Nashville was sailing without a national flag and without the customary navigation lighting. Any warship in anyone’s navy would have fire a shot across her bow to determine nationality and intent. Once she identified herself and lit her navigation lights, she was allowed to proceed into Charleston harbor.

I like your response. You not only admitted that the Harriet Lane was a warship, but you also admitted that it was at the harbor entrance, and that it fired on the Nashville.

I'm sure they could hear the cannon shots at Beauregard's HQ.

295 posted on 08/01/2022 9:22:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: higgmeister

The census every ten years lists the agricultural outputs of the States. So it is easy to see how much wheat is grown in Indiana, how much tobacco in Virginia and how much cotton in Alabama.


296 posted on 08/01/2022 9:32:14 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

You may also be unaware that the Orders Lincoln gave to Lieutenant David Porter would have started a war in Florida if the effort to start it in Charleston failed.

please cite the orders Lincoln gave to Porter to start a war in Penscola.


297 posted on 08/01/2022 9:34:18 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

During the War, Kentucky provided 44 infantry regiments, 17 cavalry regiments and 5 artillery batteries to the Union Army.
The state provided 9 infantry regiment, 16 cavalry regiments and 8 artillery batteries to the Confederate Army


298 posted on 08/01/2022 9:45:01 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
please cite the orders Lincoln gave to Porter to start a war in Penscola.

Haven't we been over that one too? My recollection is that I told you I couldn't find those orders and then you produced some orders. What wasn't completely established is whether or not those were the only orders.

Judging by Porters actions, he either exceeded them greatly in his efforts to antagonize the Confederates (shooting at their ships) or we haven't seen all of his orders.

299 posted on 08/01/2022 9:46:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Albion Wilde

the first successful cotton harvesting machine did not come about until the late 1920s.


300 posted on 08/01/2022 9:46:39 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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