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The REAL cause of the Civil War.
Vanity | 1957 | Ayn Rand

Posted on 08/01/2022 9:00:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp

For some time I have wondered how to explain the cause of the Civil War in simple terms that are easy to understand. I now see that Ayn Rand did it years ago. Laws passed by a Northern controlled Congress routed all the money produced by the South into Northern "elite" pockets.


TOPICS: Education; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dimlamp; nicetry; revisionistnonsense; slavery; southerndems; stupidvanity; tryagain; whitesupremacy
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To: max americana

Victors dictate history and boy haven’t they ever!

Revisionism on full display. Was slavery an issue of contention? Certainly. Was it the cause for the Civil war? nope!

In fact, the overwhelming majority of those brave and honorable men fighting for the cause of the South were too damn poor to own slaves. So, what was it they were fighting to preserve?

Because of revisionism, most do not realize the so called
great emancipator Lincoln” before the war and the great Northern general Grant after the war both sought to recolonizing the negro back to Afrika, Caribbean and Puerto Rico. They believed the negro would likely not assimilate into American society.

Furthermore, Lincoln himself wrote to newspaper editor Horace Greeley his intentions regarding the war of Northern aggression. Preserve the Union at all costs. Freed slaves or NOT.

Most do not realize that at one point, there were more white slaves than black.

Some of the more infamous brutal slave owners were free blacks.

Because of warped history and the movie Roots, folks have this notion that the white slave traders were in Afrika hunting down blacks and forcing them onto slave ships. This was an exaggeration.

Because of the many diseases within the interior, most slave traders relied on the black conquerors of rival tribes to bring their captives to the shoreline. It was the black man who first sold the black man into slavery.

All of these lil factoids are held in the national archives.


261 posted on 08/01/2022 6:16:56 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: DiogenesLamp

Spasibo, Anya


262 posted on 08/01/2022 6:37:30 PM PDT by Srednik (Polyglot. Overeducated. Redeemed by Christ. Anticommunist from the womb.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Craven appeals for sympathy when the South voted in the last remaining tariffs before Lincoln got into power, are lost on most people, here.

The South had the many presidents and Democrat Congresses to change the laws, voted in many tariffs, even a late 25% one, loved them their slaves, literally and officially told the world that the sole reason the South “left” the United States was due to slaves, and late-comers such as yourself believe they left due to the taxes the South levied on the nation, that slavery was not an issue, that it was fundamentally better to “Buy Foreign” than “Buy US” or make it themselves, and that walking away from a Southern Democrat president, just prior to Lincoln getting into the presidency was the fault of Lincoln and the North and that the War was unjustified.

The level of obtuseness in your mind and the mind of a few others here is astounding, when all the facts say something counter to your whim.

263 posted on 08/01/2022 7:07:58 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If that much tariff was collected in New York, then New York was the surplus tariff generator and not the combined South.

That graph make the South look like they provided no appreciable income to the United States.


264 posted on 08/01/2022 7:11:39 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Pelham

Perhaps, but there was 100+% representation of the South in everything, including the president (Buchanan) that the South left under, while in charge.

So, the South is the bird that pooped in the drinking water everyone had to use, then left, squawking that the water had poop in it.


265 posted on 08/01/2022 7:21:25 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

” there was 100+% representation of the South in everything, including the president (Buchanan)”

Actually Buchanan was a Pennsylvanian.


266 posted on 08/01/2022 7:37:46 PM PDT by Pelham (World War III is entering on cat's feet. )
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To: ConservativeMind
That graph make the South look like they provided no appreciable income to the United States.

Yes it does.

Yes it does.

267 posted on 08/01/2022 7:43:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ConservativeMind
The level of obtuseness in your mind and the mind of a few others here is astounding, when all the facts say something counter to your whim.

Friend. I doubt you and facts are even acquainted. You are one of the more sillier responders in this thread.

268 posted on 08/01/2022 7:44:57 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Pelham

Buchanan was very much pro-slavery and pro-slaveowner, to the point where many Northerners counted him as a Southerner.


269 posted on 08/01/2022 7:50:42 PM PDT by x
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To: DiogenesLamp

Sounds like Jackson, to me.


270 posted on 08/01/2022 8:11:40 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The entire South provided a fraction of the tariff revenues, according to your own post.

The South apparently provided little income to the country in the form of tariff income, so you have lost another argument.


271 posted on 08/01/2022 8:14:03 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: servantboy777

Correct. Every point you made. That’s why Lincoln is the favorite Republican that every woke liberal Dummycrat will accept. History treated war hero Jefferson Davis like a pariah and made General Lee’s home a cemetery. Now who’s the real bully?


272 posted on 08/01/2022 8:14:26 PM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

ultra-bump


273 posted on 08/01/2022 8:14:37 PM PDT by moehoward (.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Quite a lot of money, isn’t it? The South looked to be pretty well fixed.

So much for ‘’rich Northern elites’’.


274 posted on 08/01/2022 8:31:07 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: Albion Wilde

Texas v. White, 1869 declared secession unconstitutional.


275 posted on 08/01/2022 8:33:48 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: higgmeister

Southern paltroons, The Fire Eaters and slave owners fought to preserve slavery, simple as that.

You Rebs piss me off to no end.

Calling yourselves Republicans all the while venerating a bunch of treasonous Southern Democrats.


276 posted on 08/01/2022 8:37:43 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: DiogenesLamp

No warships, no war. It’s that simple.

B.S. Davis would have fired on Fort Sumter if a troop of girl scouts in canoes was carrying food to the Fort. He would not allow Sumter to be resupplied with provision under any circumstances.


277 posted on 08/01/2022 8:52:01 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: odawg

Southern cotton, etc. were being taxed

What tax was levied against cotton by the United States Government?


278 posted on 08/01/2022 8:53:34 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Pelham
My bad. Buchanan was a fellow Democrat, but from Pennsylvania, making him a quasi-Northerner.
279 posted on 08/01/2022 8:56:08 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Sounds like Jackson, to me.

Jackson is responsible for some very bad things, but you still have to admire his chutzpah.

He is probably the most daring and colorful President in US history.

280 posted on 08/01/2022 9:03:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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