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To: beancounter13
The vast majority of people fighting for the CSA did NOT own slaves. That was merely the result of the “Victor writing the history books.”

This revisionist crap has been debunked many times. The CSA themselves said the war was about chattel slavery. Somehow 21st-century conservatives want to latch on to the evil confederacy as some allegory to what is happening now. You people need to get better role models. The CSA was nothing more than a collection of pompous southern oligarchs, and semi retarded dirt poor whites who keep slavery going. Lee should have been hung and his body been torn apart by dogs in the DC gutter. The stars and bars are a national embrassment, much like Nazism is for Germans today.

14 posted on 07/18/2022 1:22:24 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: pburgh01

Did you have ancestors that fought for the South?

No?

Then how the h*** would you know?


19 posted on 07/18/2022 1:25:34 PM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: pburgh01

“The CSA was nothing more than a collection of pompous southern oligarchs, and semi retarded dirt poor whites who keep slavery going.”

That is an interesting comment.

Is it your contention that because southern states had slavery they were disqualified from seeking independence from Union states?


21 posted on 07/18/2022 1:32:37 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: pburgh01

You clearly know nothing about the CSA or Southerners, then or now. How ignorant, hateful, and insulting you are.


25 posted on 07/18/2022 1:37:22 PM PDT by clashfan ( )
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To: pburgh01

This is a forum for conservatives. Not the likes of you.


29 posted on 07/18/2022 1:40:02 PM PDT by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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To: pburgh01
It was about quite a lot more than the cotton trade. The Southern states produced 73% of the US entire trade product at that time, and all the money to pay for it was being funneled into New York because of the Navigation act of 1817.

New York was taking about 60% of all the value of the South's entire production, and if the South became independent, New York would lose about 230 million dollars per year in 1860 dollars. Worse still, European manufactured goods would have flooded the continent through Southern ports at prices deeply undercutting the North Eastern manufacturers, and thereby causing a double financial whammy to the power barons who would have lost significant market share and income.

The existing power structure in New York and Washington DC, then as now wanted all the nation's money funneling through their pockets, and when the South threatened to take control of their own trade and finances, this was more than the existing power structure could tolerate, and so they launched a war to subjugate the South.

Lincoln clearly had no intention of freeing the slaves when he began his presidency, and he did in fact urge the passage of an amendment that would have made slavery virtually permanent. (The Corwin Amendment.)

Lincoln and his New York backers knew where all the trade money came from, and they were not going to tolerate it getting out of their control. Their initial efforts was to get control back quickly so that everything could resume as it was before the war. When Southern doggedness kept them from winning quickly, they eventually decided it would be better to break the economic back of the South than to allow it to escape their control, and this is why they moved to abolish slavery.

In point of fact, the Northerners didn't really care about the black people, and they would have kept them in slavery had the North won quickly, but after almost two years, they saw it as a useful tactic to help them win the war, and so they made it one of their goals.

The whole affair is a lot more complex than people realize, and this is why people just generally accept the commonly repeated claim that the entire thing was over slavery. It was really about who would control that money, not about who was creating it.

Also, the Northern powers were mostly English, and the Southern powers was mostly Scottish, and so there was a continuation of the bad blood that existed before back in the old country.

30 posted on 07/18/2022 1:40:49 PM PDT by Oorang (Politicians:-a feeble band of lowly reptiles who shun the light and who lurk in their own dens. )
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To: pburgh01

Most Southern soldiers would say states rights was the reason they fought.

“Lee should have been hung and his body been torn apart by dogs in the DC gutter.”

I would remind you what a nasty idiot you are, but I think I would just as soon talk to a blank wall.


35 posted on 07/18/2022 1:48:26 PM PDT by odawg ( )
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To: pburgh01

I’d like to hear more about the folks you have called “The Broadnoses”.


45 posted on 07/18/2022 1:55:35 PM PDT by clashfan ( )
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To: pburgh01
Lee should have been hung

Wait, what?

50 posted on 07/18/2022 1:59:41 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: pburgh01

You heard from a man who lived that period of history. Man, you are an a$$..


56 posted on 07/18/2022 2:02:55 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: pburgh01

If you’re right then why didn’t the southern state just stay in the union? after all the Congress had adopted the 13th amendment to the constitution and sent it out to states for ratification. That amendment would have forever guaranteed the right to own slaves in the United States. Three states had ratified the amendment before war broke out.

Actually the south wanted a new southern United States. A country which they shared interests with each other. That’s why its constitution was a identical to the US Constitution with some key exceptions. A line item veto for the president. A single six-year term for the president. And they included the language from the proposed US 13th amendment guaranteeing slavery in perpetuity.


62 posted on 07/18/2022 2:10:08 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: pburgh01

So did the north go to war to free slaves?


80 posted on 07/18/2022 2:33:24 PM PDT by South Dakota (Patriotism is the new terrorism )
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To: pburgh01

And Sherman still rots in Hell all day everyday. 😆


141 posted on 07/19/2022 8:20:53 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: pburgh01

Take a long walk on a short pier


148 posted on 07/19/2022 12:52:12 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (You may not take an interest in politics, but politics takes an interest in you "Pericles" )
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To: pburgh01
The CSA themselves said the war was about chattel slavery.

No they didn't. That's just what the revisionists keep trying to make people believe.

The war was about money.

The Corwin Amendment proves that everything you think is a lie.

Yes, Abe Lincoln and the Union did offer the South permanent slavery in exchange for remaining in the Union.

168 posted on 07/19/2022 5:03:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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