Posted on 05/21/2022 7:32:32 AM PDT by PK1991
Since the American engineered coup in 2014 that brought Zelensky to power, the American and NATO have been quietly setting up the command centre for NATO operation against the Russians under the Azovstal steel plant.
3 major goals were achieved in the last 8 years, a command centre, a major biochem weapon station and a regiment of neo Nazi soldiers.
All these were done stealthily, top secret military stuff. And they executed these so successfully under the nose of the Russians...without the Russians knowing?
With so many top generals and scientists shuffling in and out of the secretive underground fortress, with so many soldiers, and with so many logistics, biochemical weapons in the facility, it was a very well kept secret!
Putin was not appointed to head the KGB as a political appointee. He earned his spurs as an intelligent secret service. đź‘®
To be appointed as head of KGB, unlike the head of CIA, the latter a political appointment, meaning any idiot or clown could also be offered the job, it meant that Putin was the best of the best in KGB/Russia.
Can't imagine how sleepy Joe is going to test his wits against the best of the KGB.
Putin and the Russians did not know of the death machine under the Azovstal steel plant?
His original plan was to take Kiev? All his tanks and heavy military vehicles were lined up on the roads to Kiev, clearly visible by satellite images.
No need guessing. The Americans and Ukrainians knew exactly what Putin was going to do. He is going to attack Kiev. The people in the Azovtal stronghold too thought they were very safe, very secure, unknown and undetected by the Russians. And their daily activities continued unchanged.
Everything was normal in Mariupol. In fact, the Americans and NATO must have felt very safe and no one left the fortress.
If only they knew what Putin was up to. If only they knew that they have been exposed, all the big fish would have fled.
Was it American and NATO arrogance, or was it Putin's brilliance, the attack on Kiev was expected but fizzled out quickly.
By then, the Russian troops had all encircled the Azovstal fortress. Too late to run. No one is going to escape the dragnet of Putin.
Did any of the very clever American analysts and intelligence officers see this coming?
How could they miss the signs, the decoy, the diversionary strategy of Putin, look West and strike East?
Putin's deception was as perfect as you can get from the point of military strategy.
Of course the arrogance and stupidity of the Americans and NATO helped, making it so easy for Putin to round them up in one move.
Now, as the Chinese strategists like to call it, Putin is hauling in the net, with all the big fish and crocodiles inside.
Putin is as good a military genius as he is expected. And he did not fail his believers with this war of deception in Ukraine. Now the Americans are pulling every string they could find to get in touch with Putin to release the big fish and crocodiles in the Azovstal fortress.
The UN Sec Gen Antonio Guterres, and the Pope Francis had to make personal trips to Moscow to see Putin.
After all the hard work plotting to capture the Azovstal fortress, including the big fish and crocodiles and all the biochemical weapons inside, it would not be so easy to appease and persuade Putin to give up his prized catches so easily. Now the Americans and NATO are at the mercy of Putin.
Do not be surprised if the desperate Americans and NATO would do a last ditch assault in Mariupol to free their valued generals and scientists.
When Lt Trevor Cadieu is only in charge of a biochem weapon unit, one can easily imagine how many more generals would out rank him in the fortress. Then there would be the commanding officer of this top secret facility and his deputies.
The Brits, French, Germans and many other NATO top brass are likely to be in the same hole under the steel plant.
These are early Christmas presents for Putin, though they came with a lot of planning and effort.
For the slightest indication that the fortress' existence had been exposed, or Putin's game plan was to capture the fortress and all the top brass and biochemical weapons in them, all the top brass would have scooted long before the war started, and all the biochemical weapons would have be transferred elsewhere.
Now they would be top exhibits in Putin's case against the Americans and NATO, to be shown to the whole wide world.
Never had the Americans and NATO been in such dire straits, with their balls being squeezed by Putin and they could not do anything about it short of an outright military confrontation, an assault on the Azovstal steel plant with the full force of American and NATO forces.
No amount of propaganda can distract the success of Putin in his set up to capture the Azovstal fortress lock, stock and barrel.
These would now become very expensive chips in the pocket of Putin, and the Americans and NATO would have to pay a very heavy price for their return.
How many generals or military strategists today could claim such a success against the American Empire and NATO?
And to think of it, the Americans and NATO still did not have any clue what was Putin up to.
Still guessing and spreading nonsense about the intent of Putin, and still claiming fake victories against Putin everyday.
“Since the American engineered coup in 2014 that brought Zelensky to power”
Obviously this is Kremlin-inspired garbage
“You give credence to it because it comports with your narrative. If, it didn’t, you’d be screaming “Propaganda!””
Correct, I do call out propaganda.
“Correct, I do call out propaganda.”
Have you ever called out pro-Russia propaganda? No, I didn’t think so.
“Have you ever called out pro-Russia propaganda? No, I didn’t think so.”
Haven’t seen much. Example: They called the Mariupol Surrender a SURRENDER from Day 1, it didn’t take them 24 hours to stop believing that Zelensky was simply ‘evacuating’ them (to fight again, I guess), they were CORRECT from Day one...unlike your sources.
So, if you have some fake news from Russian outlets, please post a link.
“So, if you have some fake news from Russian outlets, please post a link.”
I don’t have to. If it is a Russian source, it is propaganda. If it is from some poster’s “secret source,” it is propaganda. See how that works? You discount anything that doesn’t comport with your narrative, but you fully embrace anything that does. Me, I don’t trust any of them at face value. I try to check out various reports and draw my own conclusions, and use common sense.
You pro-Russia FReepers are the real warmongers. I condemned the invasion from the start, and said that the war would end immediately if Russia just withdrew its forces. But, you guys, you CHEERED the invasion. You must really like war porn.
“The reality is that the US, Ukraine and NATO are the bad guys here.”
I believe this is true. I have come to realize our government via the media have been lying to us for decades. I hate it, but I do believe it.
I agree with you. We can only think inductively - basically “connect the dots.”
If US/French/German officers were Azovstal, let’s hope Russia publicly reveals them.
“I don’t have to. If it is a Russian source, it is propaganda.”
Given the amount of time between my post and your response, it’s OBVIOUS that you were unable to find any propaganda, hence your non-response.
“Given the amount of time between my post and your response, it’s OBVIOUS that you were unable to find any propaganda, hence your non-response.”
Given the fact I was caring for my invalid wife, you can kiss my ass.
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You must really like war porn.
When the DC Swamp is fighting a proxy war, nothing would make me happier to see that DC Swamp that installed Brandon, lose. And lose bigly.
Trump apparently didn’t have the chops to close down the DC Sewer to Ukraine Money laundering pipeline.
Next man up.. Putin
Russia Russia Russia can ruin Hillary, Mitt, Pelosi, Biden, Mcconnell anytime..
In that case, I’ll help you out and give you a link. Please point out any ARTICLE (not opinion piece) that’s propaganda.
Proxy war? Pretty much every war in the last 500 years, at least, has been a proxy war at one stage or another. It’s how the game is played in the real world.
The surrender of the last of the militant Azov “soldiers” who were hiding in the bowels of the Avostal Steel plant in Mariupol is the final curtain for NATO’s fantasy that Ukraine would beat the Russians.
Almost 2,500 of the Azov battalion surrendered to the Russians and are now incarcerated in POW camps in Russia. Here’s the capitulation of the final group to give up:
We are being fed propaganda from all sides. It is an integral part of warfare. I take most of it with a grain of salt. But there is an objective reality out there. The problem is who is covering it? Our MSM is so in the tank for Ukraine and Zelensky, we are being fed the party line only. The narrative that Ukraine is winning is criminal. The ongoing death and destruction in Ukraine will not be solved by more weapons and money.
Time to end this slaughter on both sides. Why aren't we and the UK pushing a diplomatic solution? What commitments have we made in private? I do know that the November 10, 2021 signed agreement between the US and Ukraine, U.S.-Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership, was a clear provocation for Putin to invade Ukraine. I have seen no one mention this agreement in Congress or in the MSM. It is a clear statement that the US is committed to the security of Ukraine and supports their entry into NATO. People need to read it.
“It is a clear statement that the US is committed to the security of Ukraine and supports their entry into NATO. People need to read it.”
Not the Neocons will care, but we weren’t stating this for the benefit of Ukraine, but rather to try to stick it to Putin.
The degree of ABJECT HATRED of Putin on left is so strong, that it even spills over to many on the right. And yet, what has Putin actually done to the West, other than sell us cheap, reliable, energy?
There was some evidence that 🇨🇵 troops were killed in a helicopter crash trying to escape from Azovstal, but I never heard that a large number of them might be present. Also heard Turkish, Polish and Canadian troops were trapped in there as well.
Next week should be interesting since the Russians are now reporting control over 100% of the steel plant.
Consider the damage the Russia hoax did to our bilateral relations. And Mueller indicted a bunch Russians. All over a political dirty trick. Hillary sat by and allowed all of this to transpire.
The expansion of NATO was a mistake of gigantic proportions .
The dean of America’s Russia experts, George F. Kennan, had called the expansion of NATO into Central Europe “the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.” Kennan, the architect of America’s post-World War II strategy of containment of the Soviet Union, believed, as did most other Russia experts in the United States, that expanding NATO would damage beyond repair U.S. efforts to transform Russia from enemy to partner.
If true, wonder how Russia will play it. Will Putin keep the capture of NATO military advisers secret and use it as leverage privately? Or will he announce their capture publicly and stage show trials?
“Will Putin keep the capture of NATO military advisers secret and use it as leverage privately? Or will he announce their capture publicly and stage show trials?”
I suspect they’re more valuable if Putin keeps quiet and works it privately. But if the West continues with its present attitude towards Russia, they’ll be displayed for all to see, like zoo animals.
Putin will brainwash them and force them to denounce western values (ya know, like sexual perversion).
;-)
1) The Moskva
2) Bucha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NrUwejROYQ&list=PLT6yxVwBEbi1mkjHIfrGBSWeKSlwMRwtW
3) Civilian infrastructure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOU0fer8CW4
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