Remains of Russian convoy in Bucha

Twitter ^ | 4/9/2022 | jntrees

[jntrees]

Incredible scene of destruction of Russian convoy in Bucha

[mabarker1]

Who is going to rebuild all this?

Why the good ol’ USA TAXPAYERS of course...

[MotorCityBuck]

Ahh. As I thought. Another Childrenzz.
Think Ill stick around if its OK with you. Maybe run, and tell teacher somebody isn't playing well with others.

[PIF]

Lost badly to the Chinese in 1969 during the battle along the Amour River in Siberia.

[Jan_Sobieski]

When was the last time - fight by themselves - the Russian won a war?


Hmm…Chechnya, South Ossetia, and Syria have been fairly decisive. Crimea was a little green man cake walk. Hate to say it, but our record is not looking too good right now. No worries though…I am certain our transgenders can carry us.

[jntrees]

Want more links to smoldering convoys?
I have lots.

I didn’t mean to ruin you day bud by posting annihilated Ruskies. You might want to keep that teddy bear of yours bud and hug him tight while hiding under your bedsheets.

The big, bad Ukes can’t reach you there...

[Zhang Fei]

[If you read about Nomonhan (Khalkhin Gol) from the Japanese side (for example, Coox’s writings) it is pretty clear that the conclusion they drew after the engagement was that they’d better not poke the bear again. Sure they inflicted a lot of casualties on the Russians, but they realized that there was no way they could match Russian armor and logistical support capabilities.

There was a debate in Japan in the Fall of 1941 about striking North while the Russians were engaged with the Germans, but the memory of Nomonhan contributed to their decision to instead go South to scoop up the Euro colonies.]

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IMHO, most authors start with a thesis, and then set out to prove that presupposition. That’s why you get these wildly varying accounts of the same events. This guy came up with his assumptions, and then set out to prove them, leaving out the interviews and facts that contradicted his position. Given the Russian archival, and the fact that they left large numbers of units in place in the region, I’d be hard put to maintain my previous view that Khalkhin Gol was this smashing victory for Russia.

Note that the most compelling reason for not attacking the Russians was the possibility of Russian collapse followed by a German push to the Pacific to gain the rest of Russia’s territories, leaving the Japanese with an aggressive and powerful German presence on their recently-gained Japanese prefectures-in-the-making on the Chinese mainland. A Russian collapse would give the Germans access to oil in the Caucasus, in an environment where Japan was starved for oil, possibly fueling German advances into China at Japanese expense.

Whereas the push south (except for the attack on Pearl Harbor, triggering American retaliation) made a lot of sense, both strategically and tactically. Tactically, except for the Vichy French officials in the region, European colonial efforts were focused on reversing German gains in their metropoles on the Continent. The garrisons in the area were sparsely manned and equipped, with minuscule budgets to match. Strategically, the Dutch East Indies was where Royal Dutch Shell had substantial oil reserves, that could provide the Japanese empire with all it needed if it decided to push further west (e.g. India and the Near East), without having to deal with serious Allied opposition.

Japan’s big mistake was to attack the US. It was perhaps inconceivable to the Japanese High Command that the US would respond with a total mobilization, and a decision to pursue unconditional surrender at tremendous cost as a military objective. Whereas a Russia that could have beaten Japan in 1905, if it had mobilized all its resources, chose not to, ceding land rather than spend money on what it felt to be a peripheral territory of an empire that could be said to have too much land, more than it could defend without the expenditure of exorbitant amounts of manpower and resources.

[353FMG]

When I was in the USAF I always volunteered for the battle of the chow line and I usually won.

[Chode]

anybody get a count??? i make 16...

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Hmm…Chechnya, South Ossetia, and Syria have been fairly decisive.

In each case they did not fight an army. Top Russian veterans on the ground say that their regular ground forces literally got negative experience out of the Syrian war. They were not attacked and learned to be even more pathetic and lazy. Only the Russian airforce got experience, and that experience was in bombing civilians and blowing up cities.

In South Ossetia, like Ukraine when the Russians first invasion, the Georgian government had been under the control of a series if Pro-Russian puppets who had deliberately ransacked the Georgian army. In the first invasion on Ukraine (well, it's really just been one long invasion, but you know what I mean), this was the same problem. Yet look what happened 8 years later: Ukraine's army suddenly became a real army, and we see videos of a single tank (on more than one occasion!) taking out an entire Russian column that behaves like it has never received even basic training. The infantry just scatter in terror and the Russian tanks just start firing into buildings at random, not knowing from where they are being killed from. In Chechnya, the population is far smaller than that of Ukraine, and there was no military to speak of. Resistance consisted of rag tags with no artillery, no anti-air, no anti-tank capability. Nevertheless, the Russkies couldn't take them on fair. They had to destroy entire cities resulting in the deaths of 150,000-250,000 civilians. So to sum it up: Russkies just aren't good at war.

[FrankRizzo890]

Ya know, I hear Jim Biden has a company that’s adept at post-war rebuilding. Maybe he could get the contract.

/s

[PreciousLiberty]

Saved for later, thanks!

[Jan_Sobieski]

Then no doubt the Ukrainians will drive the Russian bear back for good. In fact, I’ve heard they’ve already won! Ukraine is turning blown Russian tanks into plowshares, and Russian dead funeral pyres can be seen from space!

[Farmerbob]

Oops...I posted part two. Here is the first part.

The Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron - Voyage of the Damned

https://youtu.be/9Mdi_Fh9_Ag

[Zhang Fei]

[Oops...I posted part two. Here is the first part.

The Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron - Voyage of the Damned

https://youtu.be/9Mdi_Fh9_Ag]

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Thanks for the link. I generally go straight to the transcript because most people can read much faster than they can listen, even if the video is speeded up.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Then no doubt the Ukrainians will drive the Russian bear back for good.

You are mocking, but this is likely to occur.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Fair enough. Let’s watch what happens

[Dr. Franklin]

Ukraine ping [Had a dust-up with the Japanese along the Manvhurian border in 1937, which the Soviets won.] This was trumpeted as a great victory and built up into the first evidence of Russian supermen (in much the same way as others built up the German supermen of the Heer in the post-war era) of WWII. Then in the post-Cold War era, Soviet archives were cracked open for a few years (until Putin slammed them shut), and the truth emerged - that the Soviets had scratched out a victory against a Japanese force inferior in numbers (equipment and men) and technology, while sustaining higher casualties than the Japanese, while on defense (!). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol#Soviet_assessment ... Despite this, the Soviet operations chief of the Far Eastern Front, General A. K. Kazakovtsev, was not confident in his army group’s ability to stop an invasion if the Japanese committed to it (at least in 1941–1942), commenting: “If the Japanese enter the war on Hitler’s side ... our cause is hopeless.”[75] ]

Don't forget that the Soviets lost to the Poles and their Ukrainian allies in 1920-21. Lenin offered the Poles all of Ukraine West of the Dneiper, but under pressure from the British and French it was foolishly declined. That would have denied the Soviets much of Ukraine's farmland and given a reborn Polish-Ukrainian commonwealth a port on the Black Sea. Also note that the Soviets performed poorly in 1939 when the Polish chose to engage them. When the Poles fought the Soviets then, they did very well until they ran out of ammunition.

The Soviet edge over the Japanese was in armor. Had Hitler shared some German tank technology and designs with the Japanese to encourage them to attack the Soviets rather than the U.S., the Soviet Union would have been conquered and world history would have been much different. Hitler's racist mindset cost him a victory.

[Zhang Fei]

[The Soviet edge over the Japanese was in armor. Had Hitler shared some German tank technology and designs with the Japanese to encourage them to attack the Soviets rather than the U.S., the Soviet Union would have been conquered and world history would have been much different. Hitler’s racist mindset cost him a victory. ]

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Ultimately, German and Japanese interests were diametrically opposed. From Japan’s standpoint, a Germany that had conquered Europe *and* Russia was in a position to conquer Japanese holdings in China and Japan itself.

Similarly, the Germans presumably weren’t interested in owning only European Russia. If they had given the Japanese their technologies, the odds are reasonable that they would eventually have clashed on the battlefield on much more even terms. Hitler was presumably hoping that the Japanese would exhaust themselves against Russia, leaving any Japanese gains in Russia and Japanese holdings in China open to German conquest.

The debate about the limited cooperation between Germany and Japan tends to focus on missed opportunities. IMHO, there were good strategic reasons both sides hedged.

[Dr. Franklin]

Ultimately, German and Japanese interests were diametrically opposed. From Japan’s standpoint, a Germany that had conquered Europe *and* Russia was in a position to conquer Japanese holdings in China and Japan itself.
Similarly, the Germans presumably weren’t interested in owning only European Russia. If they had given the Japanese their technologies, the odds are reasonable that they would eventually have clashed on the battlefield on much more even terms. Hitler was presumably hoping that the Japanese would exhaust themselves against Russia, leaving any Japanese gains in Russia and Japanese holdings in China open to German conquest.
The debate about the limited cooperation between Germany and Japan tends to focus on missed opportunities. IMHO, there were good strategic reasons both sides hedged.

Hitler's goal was to push all of the Slavs across the Urals. It wasn't to conquer all of Asia. Even Hitler wasn't that foolish, at least not in the short term. Hitler had no problem making short term deals, like partitioning Poland and the Baltics, etc. If not for Sino-Japanese war, Hitler might have offered China the return of Siberia. Racism is the best explanation for Germany's failure to fortify its alliance with Japan. It took a lot of Western aid to keep the Soviets in the war, although they deny it.