Posted on 03/26/2022 10:01:31 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
A detailed list of the destroyed and captured vehicles and equipment of both sides can be seen below. This list is constantly updated as additional footage becomes available.
(Excerpt) Read more at oryxspioenkop.com ...
Running total
3/26 - 297
3/25 - 289
3/24 - 280
3/23 - 275
3/22 - 270
3/21 - 263
3/20 - 257
3/19 - 251
3/18 - 244
3/17 - 235
3/16 - 229
3/15 - 217
3/14 - 209
3/13 - 204
3/12 - 193
3/11 - 187
3/10 - 164
3/9 - 156
3/8 - 149
3/7 - 140
3/6 - 120
3/5 - 108
As noted on the website: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here.
Dead Invaders.
“Sergeant Nikolai Efimov and Senior Sergeant Roman Tazin from the Black Sea Fleet’s 810th Naval Infantry Brigade were both killed in Ukraine.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507445859549601798
“Another paratrooper from the VDV’s 331st Airborne Regiment, Alexey Elimov, was also killed in Ukraine.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507443115292037139
” Senior Sergeant Alexander Semenov of the VDV’s 331st Airborne Regiment was killed in Ukraine.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507441812209913859
“Senior Praporshchik Sergey Lobachev served with the 331st Airborne Regiment. He was killed in Ukraine.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507438505785532425
“VDV Lieutenant Stanislav Kutelev, a 2020 RVVDKU graduate from Orenburg, was killed in Ukraine.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506084245772582912
“Senior Lieutenant Allaudin Babaev was a deputy company commander in the VDV’s 11th Air Assault Brigade. He was killed in Ukraine.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507436951661645824
“Sergeant Nurylbek Bugetayev of the VDV’s 106th Airborne Division’s 137th Airborne Regiment was killed in Ukraine on March 6.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507454866339233795
When you see one abandoned tank destroyed, it’s really 30!
“When you see one abandoned tank destroyed, it’s really 30!”
No idea what you are saying.
Every cataloged item has a unique photo linked to it.
From your post:
“Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here.”
Illogical statement. No way of knowing that.
“No way of knowing that.”
Your statement is illogical.
Do you think every destroyed item has a photo of it?
Plus some destroyed equipment hasn’t been cataloged because it is unclear which side lost the equipment.
Using it to make the claim that "the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here" is unverifiable speculation. You're off in the fluff.
**Every cataloged item has a unique photo linked to it.**
How many pics are of the same item, but from different angles? From different days or time of day (cloudy, sunshine, miday, dusk)?
“Using it to make the claim that “the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here” is unverifiable speculation. You’re off in the fluff.”
Unverifiable? Yes. But it is not illogical. Logically, everyone knows the verified kills are just a portion of all kills. This is always the case, in every war, every century. The total number will not be known until the war is over. What we do know now, because this has always been the case, is that the total number of tanks destroyed must be larger than the number that is verified. A week ago the Ukrainian military said they had destroyed 476 Russian tanks. If the verified number is 297, then 476 is not - by any means - an outrageous claim. Even if that estimate was 50% to high that would still mean more than 380 tanks destroyed. That would be significant and entirely within the realm of possibility of what we have seen so far.
Ukraine, according to multiple sources, has more tanks now than at the beginning of the war because they have captured so many from the Russians. This just isn’t going as the Russians planned it.
It is very probable that actual losses are significantly higher. These wrecks and captured units are in a privileged position, of a sort, of having fallen into the control of enemy forces, giving the Ukrainians the opportunity to photograph or video them. Since the Russians have, on the whole, been advancing, the Ukrainians have been unable to similarly document most of those that were left in areas of Russian control.
And then one has to assume that not every Ukrainian unit bothers to photograph every wreck. They normally have better things to do, there is a war on after all. Nor is there going to be an interested civilian with a cell phone along every country road.
Then there are those rather few units identified from targeting system video, most of which probably remain behind Russian lines, but that is a small subset of the evidence in this database.
So call it speculation, but it is informed speculation, the sort that intelligence analysts take seriously. Personally I’d put it that only half the actual losses ended up in this gallery of mug shots. That seems a safe assumption to me.
“That would be significant”
Of course it would. Note the tense. To make the definitive statement in the present is off in the fluff.
“Ukraine, according to multiple sources,”
Gotta love those multiple sources.
I agree. It’s fun to make assumptions.
“Using it to make the claim that “the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here” is unverifiable speculation. You’re off in the fluff.”
The statement “the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here” is NOT my statement you dummy. It is from the ORYX website.
If you don’t like their statement, complain to them. You dummy.
“How many pics are of the same item, but from different angles? From different days or time of day (cloudy, sunshine, miday, dusk)?”
ORYX attempts to control for those issues. If you think they have counted equipment losses twice, identify the photos and contact ORYX.
Not that this is not interesting, but, Did we ever get a list of US equipment left behind in Afghanistan?
Probably few to none. The maintainers of the list have spent a lot of time and effort eliminating duplicates and checking new reports.
You can go ahead and look through the photos yourself and see if you can find any duplicates. If you do contact the people maintaining the list.
You are arguing from a very weak hypothesis. There are 3 possibilities for the number of actual pieces of equipment destroyed versus the number of pieces of equipment listed by Oryx.
(1) Less equipment was destroyed than was shown in the photographs. That's an unlikely situation unless some of the photographs are duplicates. It also means every actually destroyed vehicle got photographed and posted to Twitter or Telegram.
(2) There is a photograph in the Oryx collection for exactly every single piece of destroyed equipment. Nobody missed photographing a lost, captured, or damaged vehicle. This is possible theoretically, but I think we can all agree that is very unlikely.
(3) The collection of photographs is incomplete. Not every lost, captured, or damaged vehicle was photographed and then the photograph found by the people maintaining the list. In this case, more vehicles were destroyed than the number photographed and whose photograph was found by the Oryx team.
I hope you would agree that the last condition is most likely. So then the only "speculation" is what percentage of destroyed vehicles did not get photographed, or got photographed but the images were not posted someplace Oryx would find them. What do you think are reasonable numbers for those two variables?
Personally I doubt that 90% of damaged or destroyed vehicles get photographed and posted on Twitter or Telegram. How about you?
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