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To: Openurmind
The passing/no passing lines were engineered and painted back in the 30s when everyone drove 45 Mph as a norm because of the cars back then. Now everyone drives 65-70 along this remote road.

None of that matters in the context of the problem you describe.

What is the posted speed limit there? The lane markings for the passing zones must be based on the posted speed limit, not “what everybody does.” It sounds like either the speed limit is not appropriate for the area, or they have to figure out a way to get motorists to drive at or near the posted speed limit.

I am totally familiar with a situation on one of the most dangerous sections of roadway in the U.S. for pedestrians. The engineers who designed the traffic signal system probably should have lost their professional licenses because they designed the signal system for an operating speed of 45 mph even though the posted speed limit was only 25 or 30 mph.

104 posted on 03/25/2022 7:44:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Model T fords had a cruising speed of 45 mph. “Speed limits” were not even needed at the time.

The passing zone distances and “time needed to pass” were figured for 45 mph and perfectly safe for 45.

The speed limit is now 55 and in some places 65. Which equals a flow of traffic at 65-70 in reality.

They never refactored the “time needed to pass” distances at these speeds. Even at 55 they are too short. And many need to just be removed. At modern speeds the need to even pass isn’t even really needed in these extremely short zones.

Leaving these lines painted as they are and figured for 45 and having passing zones where there should not be any is neglect.

“It sounds like either the speed limit is not appropriate for the area,”

No... The lines are not appropriate for the speed limit because they were never reassessed when the speed limit was raised. The speed limit is actually safe and fine for the road, the passing lines as marked are not safe for the newer limit.

“or they have to figure out a way to get motorists to drive at or near the posted speed limit.”

Of course, just post more signs because we know they will obey these? Or post 20 cruisers at every corner 24-7 to discourage speeding? Or build speed bumps?

Are these cures irrational? You bet... The lines just need to be reassessed taking new speeds and time needed to pass into account and paint double yellows where they are now needed.


135 posted on 03/26/2022 6:38:51 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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