Posted on 03/07/2022 10:12:46 AM PST by impimp
You can call it pacifist appeasement, I’ll stick to America first and suggest all this support should be going to our southern border
***I do call it appeasement. This tactic of bringing up our southern border is simply a red herring. For instance, there was NO comment about it when I posted about the emBASEeee strategee
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts
To be candid, somewhere on FR I have even advocated this strategy towards Mexico. Set up a buffer zone between us and their Narco state. Intercept drug and human trafficking. The illegal colonizers are still caught in Mexico. They can have a taste of freedom in their own country.
I really don’t know what you’re talking about Kevmo.
***That much is patently obvious because you are utterly clueless about critical thinking principles.
Sure, I concede there are entities within Ukraine that want “Democracy”
***Then we’re done here.
- but this Democratic Initiatives Foundation want Democracy in the postmodern sense.
***You mean, in the postbullsnot sense. You’re trying to implement a humptydumpty definition without even defining it. That’s like a DOUBLE argument from silence, even further removed from straightforward critical thinking principles.
So that is your first point of taint for a poll taken by this organization.
***You have utterly failed to develop any “taint”. And you continue to argue from silence, you have ZERO other facts to argue your point because this is the best set of facts on the ground for how many people in Ukraine wanna be in NATO.
Secondly, polls are meaningless, when the respondents believe
***There you go again. Asserting stuff without any evidence. Arguing from silence. It’s almost like you took a propaganda class from Putin and they showed you how to argue invalidly just so they could giggle at you afterwards.
that their answers will not be kept confidential and in this case fed directly to the Azov Battalion or their ilk.
***You have zero evidence for this assertion. Ya might as well be talkin’ about the little green aliens that are gonna swoop in and anal probe all negative respondents. That’s another example of an argument from silence, but you will fail to see the significance.
So
***You are in NO position to be asserting “so” at this juncture.
it is pure Polyanna if you think a poll will have anything valid to do with policy execution in this part of the world.
***Dude. You keep using the same EXACT argument from silence. If your data is so much better then produce it. You won’t because you can’t. The data I have asserted is the best data available. Far better than your silence. It is utterly amazing that you cannot see that you’re arguing from silence.
So you fall into your own a logical trap because the absence of information,
***wow. just wow, dude. You are the one demonstrably arguing from silence and here you criticize another, who has PRODUCED evidence for his viewpoint, for the absence of information. Just fracking wow.
which according to you
***Usually right here, this kind of phrase indicates an upcoming STRAW ARGUMENT.
cannot support any conclusion or positive action, exists by the function of propaganda.
***Yup. Straw argument. I never said that, yet it doesn’t stop you from propping it up and arguing against it. You have zero idea of what classic fallacies are. None.
Furthermore, if you are relying upon polls as the fondation for policy
***I’m using that polling data for INFORMATION. And it is information which you are having a ton of trouble finding an alternative source to counter. So YOU are the one relying on SILENCE of information for the formation of YOUR policy. Self-reinforced fallacy of approach. Devastating.
in the Ukraine, your judgment is based upon western standards, which have no correlation to politics in this region.
***It was more or less a Ukrainian organization that conducted this poll. Once again your assertion from silence is invalid.
Western political systems formed out of trading societies, often maritime. So our political systems have a transactional nature to them.
***blah blah blah
You vote and its done. A poll approximates a vote, which will sway a polititian every time.
***You don’t even bother to make a point here, I see. Just adding filler.
Ukraine has been the site of the most massive and destructive invasions, genocides and accidents known to man.
***blah blah blah, filler, gigantic so what....
Survival from these events occurred, at least to the vast majority of people, due to the exercise of power, not a vote.
***Yawn... blah blah blah, filler, Mine Eyes Glaze Over
Do the histories celebrate a vote that took place before the Mongols burned Kiev to the ground and murdered its entire population? Obviously not.
***Most boring red herring I’ve seen so far. Need coffee.
Does history record the Mongols were devils to be defeated at all costs and Ivan the Teribble is a Savior?
***Ughh. Coffee. Covfefe. Something to escape this horrendous writing alongside all your logical fallacies.
So by all means keep drumming Putin bad,
***Oh, yay, we’re finally at the present age. And your oh-so-nuanced point was never even made. Very crappy writing.
which worked so well with orange man bad,
***Yet another irrelevance.
and keep your eyes closed to whatever agency the Zelinsky regime has in the creation of this conflict.
***Looks like bullsnot, smells like bullsnot, feels like bullsnot, and it aint from a goose, it’s probably bullsnot.
Because after all, right and wrong is so easy to see.
***Yup. Bullsnot it is.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
And there is bias in the responses of Ukranian polling respondents. Got it.
you have taken this conversation in such enlightening directions.
The Uke poll has nothing to do with the Chicom poll. Duhh. Gigantic duhh factor. What you did was look around for a poll that had obvious bias. Those are not hard to find.
But that’s a far cry from proving that a Uke poll conducted by Ukes for Ukes about democracy in Ukestan is biased. They aren’t even connected, and the two polling organizations have completely different goals & aims. YUGE duhh factor to this.
“And there is bias in the responses of Ukranian polling respondents. Got it.”
***What? Take a fricken writing class. You write like you’re simply talking to yourself.
I can’t say that you have taken this conversation to enlightening paths because you simply lack sound reasoning skills.
Yeah, this was a stretch talking to you about respondent biases in polling is a little beyond your capabilities. Nor can you wrap your head around that an NGO think tank funded by the same foundation that funds the Clinton Global Initiative would shade their results. But look, the most important thing is for you to speak your own truth and feel good about yourself. Kamala is proud of you, no doubt.
Yeah, this was a stretch talking to you about respondent biases in polling is a little beyond your capabilities.
***Nonsense. I know how to detect bias. From my home page:
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How to Measure Media Bias on a Regular Basis?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2181363/posts
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You just have to PROVE that there is as much bias as you say there is. You have zero proof, you’re just asserting there’s so much bias that the poll is worthless. And on top of that, you have NO other poll to look at in its stead. It is a classic case of arguing from silence.
Nor can you wrap your head around that an NGO think tank funded by the same foundation that funds the Clinton Global Initiative would shade their results.
***You’re completely full of shiite. There are times when an organization needs to know what people want, one way or the other, no bias or nonsense necessary. You seem utterly incapable of perceiving this.
But look, the most important thing is for you to speak your own truth and feel good about yourself.
***Pot, look at the kettle. But you add classic fallacies to your perspective, so you are worth less than zero.
Kamala is proud of you, no doubt.
***Your teacher will flunk you when you take that critical thinking class, no doubt.
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