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To: SeekAndFind

IOW, take at your own risk.

I trust NOTHING from big pharma any more.

If it’s not an old, well established drug with a good track record, forget it. ESPECIALLY, if it’s meant for Covid anything.


4 posted on 12/18/2021 10:51:01 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: metmom
My dog found this under the sofa


27 posted on 12/19/2021 2:56:34 AM PST by Salamander ("Salamander has barbaric tendencies" /Gundog)
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To: metmom

I’m with you. I had (have) high hopes for this vax but we’ve been lied to so much by big Gov’t, I’m not sure I can trust this vax either.


42 posted on 12/19/2021 4:49:40 AM PST by Baldwin77 (Democrats CANNOT win without violence and/or cheating)
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To: metmom; rktman; A strike; mewzilla; Salamander
I read the study.

Interesting points of note:

-out of the appx 14,000 shot and placebo people (split evenly), 10 shot and 96 placebo folks came down with virologically confirmed, symptomatic mild, moderate, or severe Covid-19 with an onset at least 7 days after the second dose, for a VE of 90%.

-these trials ran for about three months only. In contrast, 59% of industry-sponsored vaccine clinical trials fail to make it through clinical trials, which on median take 9 years for the ones that make it to approval.

-Solicited systemic adverse events were reportedly more frequently in the vaccine group than in the placebo group after both the first dose (45.7% vs. 36.3%) and the second dose (64.0% vs. 30.0%). While not stated explicitly, these adverse events effectively remove people from society for days, reducing their possible exposure to COVID19.

-The shots don't guard against fatality: Two deaths related to Covid-19 were reported, one in the vaccine group and one in the placebo group. (The death in the vaccine group occurred in a 53-year-old man in whom Covid-19 symptoms developed 7 days after the first dose; he was subsequently admitted to the ICU for treatment of respiratory failure from Covid-19 pneumonia and died 15 days after vaccine administration. The death in the placebo group occurred in a 61-year-old man who was hospitalized 24 days after the first dose; the participant died 4 weeks later after complications from Covid-19 pneumonia and sepsis.)

So, net-net-net, these shots lower your chance of contracting COVID19 for up to three months after the second injection. However, it doesn't lower your risk of dying from this bug, you likely need boosters forever, they make you sicker initially than the placebo group, and we have zero long-term clinical trial data to see if maybe these shots are non-efficacious in the long-run...parenthetically such trials accompany all legitimately-tested vaccines but statistically there is a 59% chance that these shots would fail a kosher long-term clinical trial that should take about nine years if we really put safety first.

I'll say it again: if people are in a high morbidity cohort and feel like they need to get these shots, I will never criticize them. Heck, even if they AREN'T in such a cluster I won't say a thing-Personal health is a personal matter.

But the decision to avoid shots, when put in this light. doesn't seem crazy.

43 posted on 12/19/2021 4:54:24 AM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2 )
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