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How to reach the secular Americans who refuse to get vaccinated (one guy guilted his father into getting the shot...classy)
Deseret News ^ | October 24, 2021 | Mya Jaradat

Posted on 10/25/2021 6:12:25 PM PDT by DoodleBob

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Any offspring of mine that doesn’t respect my personal choices gets disinherited and disassociated.


21 posted on 10/25/2021 6:27:54 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: DoodleBob

According to the data it looks like the people most likely to be vaccinated are atheists.

I sense a theme here......


22 posted on 10/25/2021 6:29:32 PM PDT by TheRobb7 ("Patriots don't negotiate the terms of their enslavement"--JimRob)
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To: hopespringseternal
If your children feel like they can treat you like a small child while you still have your full mental faculties, you screwed up raising them.

I respectfully disagree.

To be sure, it's hard to raise a thoroughbred when the parents are asses.

But God gave us freewill, and that includes the kiddies, too. There are plenty of situations where decent parents do their best, and at least one of their offspring turns into a dolt while the rest are normal.

23 posted on 10/25/2021 6:29:56 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2 )
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To: neverevergiveup
There is no stupidity quite as deep as smug stupidity.

LOL! and agree. It seems to be on steroids now.

24 posted on 10/25/2021 6:31:34 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: DoodleBob

Secular? You don’t take the vax because it doesn’t make the slightest sense to you to take a vax that is not really a vaccine. That is rushed thru and not vetted out. That treats a disease which you are not in the slightest afraid of. That has been lied about and mis characterized from jumpstreet. Sheesh.


25 posted on 10/25/2021 6:31:59 PM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
They won’t stop until one of you is in the ground

Make sure its them.

That's it in a nutshell. Black American flag time.

26 posted on 10/25/2021 6:32:17 PM PDT by Noumenon (Black flag American. KTF)
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To: ebshumidors

That is sad. My neighbors children guilted them into the shot so they could visit their grandkids. They regret getting it.


27 posted on 10/25/2021 6:33:17 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: DoodleBob
"Universal vaccination" is not universal vaccination, when large parts of the globe are not vaccinated.

Unless the vaxxtards consider these unvaccinated continents and countries to be on a separate planet, where they won't infect the universally vaccinated countries.

Which is why we look at them as vaxxtards.

28 posted on 10/25/2021 6:35:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: DoodleBob

the writer:

Deseret.com: Mya Jaradat
19 Oct: The problem with Biden’s new refugee cap, according to faith leaders
They welcomed the higher refugee ceiling, but faith groups are skeptical of the nation’s ability to resettle refugees through a network that was gutted under the Trump administration.
https://www.deseret.com/authors/mya-jaradat/archives

- As for secular people who “don’t want to bow to COVID,” Fish said that pointing out that the vaccine is a way to beat the virus, not bow to it, could be effective. -

VIDEO: 6m33s: 4 Oct updated 6 Oct: Fox News: ‘Ingraham Angle’ on teachers fighting vaccine mandates
INGRAHAM: Dr. Bhattacharya, I know you filed an affidavit in this case. What was your point?

DR. JAY BHATTACHARYA, STANFORD PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE: Well, many of these employees, the workers, teachers, they’ve worked through the epidemic, many of them have immunity derived from - recovering from natural infection. A mandate that doesn’t acknowledge the scientific fact that they’re that they’re immune is not scientifically based...

INGRAHAM: Michael, have you had to get a rubella booster lately or a smallpox booster or? I don’t think so. It’s a little different, don’t you think?

(MICHAEL KANE, TEACHER PROTESTING VAX MANDATE): I think that’s a really good point. There has never been a vaccine requirement to teach New York City public schools. In New York state that has not been there at all. Also, with these COVID vaccines, ***they do not provide sterilizing immunity. The comparison between a COVID vaccine and an MMR shot is kind of ridiculous. You can compare the COVID vaccine much more to the flu shot, which generally is choice of if you want to take the flu shot or if you don’t want to take the flu shot.
It’s actually scary when we see people like the good doctor who I’m so glad to see on the show with me here today, taken out of the debate, and this becomes far more political than it becomes about science. It’s actually a very frightening thing...

DR. JAY BHATTACHARYA, STANFORD UNIVERSITY EPIDEMIOLOGIST: I think it makes no sense to mandate it. This should be a choice that parents make in conjunction with consultation with their doctors just we do with many, many other treatments.
Making this forced mandated, essentially what it’s done is breed distrust in public health. And frankly even in the other vaccines, the vaccine movement, the movement that was against vaccines was a tiny fringe movement before this. By these coercive measures, they have taken that movement and turned it into a much larger movement. It’s actually damaging to public health, damaging the children, because it has bred distressed. I don’t really understand the push behind it, especially for kids. The risk from COVID, the harm from COVID is so low, to mandate the vaccines, as was just said, ***it’s not a sterilizing vaccine, unlike the MMR vaccine, which is. It’s very, very different, and to treat it as if it were the same, I think Dr. Fauci is conflating things intentionally in order to get his way rather than just acknowledging a basic scientific facts...
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/ingraham-angle-on-teachers-fight-back-on-vaccines

28 Aug: Wentworth Report: Mass Vaccination Delays Herd Immunity and Risks Greater Damage Unless a Sterilizing Vaccine Can Be Found
By Geert Vanden Bossche, who earned his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany
(He has worked for several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development.
He also joined the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer before working with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness.
He then joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office.)
https://wentworthreport.com/2021/08/14/mass-vaccination-delays-herd-immunity-and-risks-greater-damage-unless-a-sterilizing-vaccine-can-be-found/

it’s as if ex-NYT writer, Katherine J. Wu, felt the need to try to shoot down the Bossche/Wentworth piece ASAP!

10 Sept: The Atlantic: We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines
Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable.
By Katherine J. Wu
(at bottom of article: The Atlantic’s COVID-19 coverage is supported by grants from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation)
o modern immunologists, the phenomenon is known as sterilizing immunity, the ability to “totally prevent infection,” Taia Wang, an immunologist at Stanford University, told me. The measles vaccine is still often held up as its paragon.

No infection means no disease, no death, and no transmission, the absolute immunological trifecta. It’s why sterilizing immunity has often been framed as a “holy grail,” what researchers aim for when they’re designing their shots, says David Martinez, a vaccinologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. But sterilizing immunity also has been a source of trouble. Some people hoped the COVID-19 vaccines could achieve sterilizing immunity, especially after reports in the winter and spring trumpeted the jabs’ surprising power at preventing infections—enough that the CDC told vaccinated people they could shed their masks in May. Then sterilizing immunity came back to bite us, when breakthrough infections began to pop up among the immunized, prompting fear and confusion among those who’d been certain that the vaccines alone could quash the coronavirus’s spread.

COVID-19 vaccines were never going to give us sterilizing immunity; it’s possible they never will. But the reason isn’t just their design, or the wily nature of the virus, or heavy and frequent exposures, though those factors all play a role. It’s that sterilizing immunity itself might be a biological myth...

Perhaps it’s more useful, Yonatan Grad, an epidemiologist at Harvard, told me, to understand the ideal of sterilizing immunity as just that—an ideal, rather than a practical goal, like the unattainable end of an asymptote...

Eventually, all discussions about sterilizing immunity become nerdy quibbles over semantics...
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/


29 posted on 10/25/2021 6:37:20 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: DoodleBob

I don’t want anyone to visit me and I don’t want to visit anyone.


30 posted on 10/25/2021 6:38:48 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: DesertRhino
"He’s a turd and a coward, and his dad is weak."

That's the reason his Dad raised a turd and a coward.

31 posted on 10/25/2021 6:39:11 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: DoodleBob

To me this is strictly about the “science” and not the ideology as to why I will not take this experimental gene therapy “injection”.


32 posted on 10/25/2021 6:39:17 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: hopespringseternal
"If your children feel like they can treat you like a small child while you still have your full mental faculties, you screwed up raising them."

I'm a 74 year old mother, and both my sons, who have had the shots, know enough never to raise the subject with me, especially if they want to continue walking around with their heads on their shoulders.

33 posted on 10/25/2021 6:41:30 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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Just a quibble but 0% of all groups have taken a vaccine that will prevent COVID-19. And that’s the whole point.


34 posted on 10/25/2021 6:47:12 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (a cloud has fallen over the lands of the free )
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To: DoodleBob

I was not allowed to hold or even see my new granddaughter unless I got the shot and whooping cough shot. My daughter in law is a nurse and buys into whatever the government says. My husband does too. He pro gun prolife loves God and Trump. He says it’s an individual right if they don’t want to get the shot yet mocks anyone who says they aren’t getting the shot. So sad. 😢 🙏🙏🙏


35 posted on 10/25/2021 6:48:19 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness. )
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To: DoodleBob
They should go the old National Lampoon route.

Just change the title to: "If you don't take the shot we'll kill this Dog".
Of course, this wouldn't tug on Fauci's heartstrings, but maybe it will work on some people...


36 posted on 10/25/2021 6:48:51 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: DuncanWaring

They want obedience—and they will use every propaganda trick in the book.

“Trust the science” is dangerous for children and other living things.

It looks like most folks are gonna have to learn this the hard way.


37 posted on 10/25/2021 6:50:45 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: hopespringseternal

My kids know better. Of the 5 of us (parents +3 ) only one has gotten the shot. The three kids all got Covid within 4 days of each other. Granted they live together. 3 + 2 = 2 households.


38 posted on 10/25/2021 6:52:43 PM PDT by wgmalabama (We will find out if the Vac or virus risk was the correct choice - can we put truth above narrative)
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To: cgbg
“Trust the POLITICAL science”
39 posted on 10/25/2021 6:55:03 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2 )
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To: DoodleBob

Even people who are wildly successful as parents recognize they screwed up in a lot of ways. But often parents are their children’s worst enemy, coddling and bargaining with them instead of parenting them.

But even when I was in disagreement with my parents it was readily apparent that any attempt to manipulate or patronize them would result in swift blowback — they simply would not tolerate it. And if I or my siblings had ever placed conditions on visiting them they would have just told us to go to hell.

That kind of feedback tends to correct a lot of behavior even in adults.


40 posted on 10/25/2021 6:59:20 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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