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To: ransomnote

Splain this Lucy.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination


33 posted on 10/18/2021 6:13:14 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdz oncmccRthym,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: phoneman08
Splain this Lucy.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

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You're quoting CDC stats to me and you need an explanation? THEY LIE. They have been lying. They are lying still.

49 posted on 10/18/2021 6:53:09 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: phoneman08

It is typical — she has excoriated you for presenting data with methodology and results because of the conspiracy that the CDC is not trustworthy. But in her list of numerous so called data citations, she includes her own vanities, and the vanities of others. As I pointed out in the post that drew this vanity (which means I am directly over the target as it appears I am living rent free in a certain head), I cite the dirty dozen. She cites the exact same dirty dozen. There is nothing new in this rambling vanity except penumbras and shadows.

1. Vaccines doses have been administered in the hundreds of millions world wide. The only answer those against the vaccine for COvID has is that some day everyone vaccinated will drop dead. The latest is the insane theory that vaccination causes AIDS. However, it does not, there is no plethora of new septicemias or unexplained and opportunistic infections. With the numbers they quote, by now opportunistic infections should be rife in all ICUs world wide — they are not. What they fail to understand is that AIDS was identified with the new surge of things like Kaposis Sarcoma and PCP PNA — we are not seeing this by any stretch. So it is diversion and fallacy

2. They never speak to the fact that if we accept the 99.8% survivable rate, that this really means is that there is a 1/500 mortality rate — would they get on an airplane with those odds? However even using the most inflated numbers they quote as per percentage of dosages administered — it is infinitesimal as compared to the vaccine injuries (again, even the number they like to trumpet)

3. The fact to the matter is that Breitbart reports that the spikes are in the most unvaccinated areas. Most of my colleagues and myself have not seen any critically ill in the vaccinated.

4. They simply fail to understand the fundamental logic question they want is to blow by — which is that correlation and causation are two different things. Best example of the day is that Colin Powell died of CoVID and was fully vaccinated. What they fail to mention or intentionally sweep under the rug is that Powell also had multiple myeloma, a hematological CA that reduces immune response.

5. I would love to see any one of the coterie of acolytes for these posters actually demonstrate their clinical experience, their medical training or their basic understanding of biology. They are only able to cut and paste from their favorites (The cardiologist turned epidemiologist, the alien believing FP, and the one who charges $750 to hear her opinions) — but if you question the sources, it is tantamount to blasephmy — but as the saying goes — if you dont know what you stand for, you will fall for everything. The lack of basic understanding of elementary biological principles shine through glaringly in the posts of those who will believe clinically impossible things, but post them anyway.

6. What is most perplexing to me is the insistence of a decade of evidence. We used to be Americans who believed in American ingenuity. We put men and women in space and on the moon in response to challenges. We created the trinity test at the Manhattan Project in a compressed time frame in response to a grave threat. However, this group insists that Americans should be tethered to an artificial timeline to satisfy their fears. Every post is made stating the vaccinated will get their comeuppance quite soon. And yet it does not happen.

7. And when all else fails, they try to assign beliefs to us that are untrue. I am not a proponent for mandate — I find them repulsive. I believe people should have the right to choose or not to choose based on their individual liberty. But the right to choose or not to choose does not translate into the right to demand therapies that are equivocal or disproven. They have no right to demand that I do something I believe to be wrong in terms of prescription. While I will not prescribe HCQ and ivermectin because I see no evidence clinically that they work having prescribed them, I am extremely quick to pull the trigger on monoclonals as these produce superior results.

The fact is simply this — one side presents increasingly bizarre statements (graphene, magnetism, parasite eggs, radio markers, 5G issues) that are laughable on the the face. They present rumor and innuendo which is half way around the world before truth and observation puts on its running shoes. They reject the notion that Americans can and will create amazing things based on our heritage, but want to hand tie our best of the best as pharmacy shills, Faucilytes, and right here on this forum, denigrating and insulting name calling (Froctors, assholes, why even bagster fresh off his vacation called me a pussy this evening — calling others mongoloid and subhuman — how this is allowed is beyond me).

Perhaps they should not raise their voice when they should reinforce their arguments.

At the end of the day, we are approaching herd immunity secondary to vaccination and natural infection. There is no question this has been politicized and we even see it internally right here. By this time next year, I believe there will be no further CoVID stories, and life will be back to normal.

In conclusion, even the vaunted FLCCC states the following “The FLCCC Alliance has always maintained that our protocols are a bridge to vaccines and a safety net for those who cannot or have not been vaccinated or are vaccinated and have concerns regarding declining protection against emerging variants. VACCINES HAVE SHOWN EFFICACY IN PREVENTING THE MOST SEVERE OUTCOMES of COVID - 19 AND ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE MULTIMODAL STRATEGY THAT MUST ALSO INCLUDE EARLY TREATMENT”

But they will never report that their own sources they quote often also endorse vaccinations.

These are the facts, and they are not in dispute.


100 posted on 10/18/2021 8:41:37 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: phoneman08; jonrick46

You both should have been banned long ago.

According to the CDC,

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku/data

as of 10/6/2021, for the time period 01/01/2020 to 10/02/2021, {more than a year and a half, not a cherry-picked snapshot}

Age Range COVID DEATHS

15-24 years. 1,542

25-34 years. 6,712

35-44 years. 16,911

45-54 years. 42,626

55-64 years. 96,649

total deaths age 15-64 years: 164,440

That’s over 21 months for the whole country.

Or 7830 / month

or 261 / day.

There are

10.69+11.03+11.88+11.57+10.94+10.11+9.87+10.05+10.51+9.98

106.63 million

males

and 10.27+10.56+11.36+11.27+10.89+10.2+10.1+10.34+11.09+10.82

106.9 million

females

or 213.5 million

or (261/213,500,000)x100=0.000122% fatality rate per day among working age people.

About 1/8000th of 1% per day fatality rate.

Did they ALL catch it at work?

How does this justify jabbing everyone at work or firing them, even those working from home?

...smallpox (in the Jacobson case in Massachusetts in 1905) involved a 30% fatality rate, and a vaccine which had been in use for years.

No forcing into that vax, or losing your job, either.

Just a $5 fine (around $165 today, or a large speeding ticket).

What do you say ? Mandatory untested clot-shot making Moderna and Pfizer tens of billions of $$$ each?

For what Moderna admitted in their July 2020 Wall Street filing, was an experimental gene therapy?

All numbers lightly rounded, population figures from https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

...but it’s worse than that. You have to subtract out of the total dead, those who died after the clot shot: because the risk for someone dying from COVID without a jab, shouldn’t include deaths of those who WERE jabbed.

And it’s worse than that: top-tier medical sources show:

Deaths increase after the jab

There is no link between jab rates and infection rates People with the jab are dying from COVID more than the unjabbed.

(See below).

Johns Hopkins showing time series graphs for deaths from COVID before/after the jabs.

Deaths skyrocket across the board AFTER the jabs.

https://imgur.com/8hMkTNC.jpg

Harvard study showing no correlation between jab rates and infection rates across 67 Countries, and across over 2900 US counties https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

New England Journal of Medicine Article showing antibodies from jabs drop off around 3 months https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114583

And from the Market Ticker

Ticker Guy analysis of the Uk Report:

NEGATIVE EFFICIENCY CHART

Unfortunately what this means is that now for anyone over 30 you are more likely to get infected, yes, adjusted for the population that is vaccinated, if you are vaccinated. Indeed in the 40-49 age group you’re close to double as probable on a per-population basis.

This means that if your employer mandates the jabs he or she can be sued for putting those who can’t get vaccinated at double the risk, on purpose, by enforcing the mandate.

Since there are people who can’t (due to immune compromise, such as cancer patients) be vaccinated this is now intentional risk.

In other words this is hard, scientific evidence that these mandates by employers have increased the risk of customers (and other employees) contracting Covid-19. This isn’t a natural risk (which an employer is not responsible for) it’s a man-made one created by the employer.

That’s actionable.

So far this is not translating into higher risk of Covid hospitalization and death on a per-100,000 basis. But that the vaccine makes you more likely to both get and give to others the virus is now established. It is fact. It is in fact true for everyone who is over 30.

I have pointed out that preventing infection was never in the cards; it was not part of the EUA, it was not part of the studies, it was never demonstrated. But this is much worse because now we are talking about a direct threat to others.

The CDC, NIH and Biden almost-certainly know this.

This is why the mad rush to demand you get jabbed; they know damn well what this means and that while the manufacturer is immune the employers are not and in fact any such mandate leaves them wide open legally as soon as an unvaccinated person gets infected after being at said firm either as an employee or customer and sues the company on the basis of intentionally and maliciously increasing their risk by forcing their employees to get the jab, which is exactly what they did.

The data from England is conclusive in that regard.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243859

...SNIP...

The report he is reviewing is linked below: UK Health Security Agency COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report

Week 40

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf

THERE IS NO MEDICAL EMERGENCY FOR THE JAB!

...not to mention Ivermectin.

https://ivmmeta.com/

And Japan and Uttar Pradesh in India, and (I think) Indonesia, are all using Ivermectin and stopping infection in its tracks.


124 posted on 10/18/2021 9:42:32 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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