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1 posted on 10/18/2021 3:16:44 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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Federal employees resisting the mRNA experiment need to stick around as long as they can and document everything. They will need to testify at Nuremberg II.


2 posted on 10/18/2021 3:16:56 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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I have faith that many people will continue to fight the evil democrat taliban party.


3 posted on 10/18/2021 3:21:27 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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First, take as much personal time as you have coming for you.
Second,that all I really have.
Maybe some class action suit?


4 posted on 10/18/2021 3:29:19 AM PDT by Leep (Save America. Lock down Joe Biden)
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First, take as much personal time as you have coming TO you.
Second, that’s all I really have.
Maybe some KIND OF class action suit?


5 posted on 10/18/2021 3:30:27 AM PDT by Leep (Save America. Lock down Joe Biden)
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"D-Day" is about a month away for me, (Federal contractor category).

There is zero info available from HR as to how this comes about.

Do they offer me retirement? Severance?

I've got a Secret clearance and will have to be "read out" - does that happen after they fire me?

What happens to all of my (company-issued) computer equipment and (etc) I have in my home office (do they send security personnel to my home w/o a warrant)?

They have not worked any of this out yet - sort of like how they pulled out of Afghanistan - just say it and it will be done. That's how toddlers think.
And I thought the "adults" were now in charge.

6 posted on 10/18/2021 3:37:30 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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bump


10 posted on 10/18/2021 4:04:21 AM PDT by sneakers (It's not the democraTIC party! It's the demoCRAT party! )
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Not all federal agencies are equal - some (USPS) are more equal than others, and some don’t even run on federal tax dollars. They don’t even have the same retirement programs, and at least one agency doesn’t have a retirement system plan for employees hired after around 2016 or so.

That said, I would urge all to try to get the religious exemption, if for no other reason than to help with the coming lawsuit that will undoubtedly be filed if they push this all the way to the end and actually start firing individuals.

Use all the tools available, and fight tooth-and-nail.


17 posted on 10/18/2021 5:55:08 AM PDT by meyer (Everything woke turns to poo.)
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I read your excerpt but not the whole article. What I did read seems wrong headed and of a surrender monkey.

This is far from over. This game of chicken and test of wills is just beginning I think.

Don’t fold, make them fire you and give cause in writing if at all possible.

I wrote this yesterday, the gist of it is who is the arbiter and how are they qualified and by what standard do they measure the “sincerity” of religious belief?

So let your speech be yea, yea or nay, nay for to say more is of the devil. Any letter of refusal of the jab needs to be short with little to no embellishment. It just needs to say you are accepting the offer of exception on the grounds of “sincerely held” religious belief.

I have been shoveling, mowing, blowing and mulling this over some more this afternoon. Additional points for consideration, this is not short:

In an appeal, do not allow yourself to be drawn into an irrelevant logic trap such as, “you take other vaccines that use fetal tissue derivatives why won’t you take this one?” Answer, this is the one of the subject at hand. The offer for religious accommodation has been made for this one only and I accept that offer on the grounds of my sincerely held religious belief against taking it or any of its cousins.

We have also fallen into the trap of the grounds being because of use of fetal tissue or derivatives. I thinkk that is not important. What is important is that the taking of the vaccine violates my sincerely held religious beliefs that are unspecified as that is not a condition of religious accommodation. Is it? I have not seen so.

I believe we also fall into the trap of thinking our beliefs have to be based on some established mainstream religion supported by a note from a priest or clergy. I don’t think that is true. First of all I do not recognize either priest or clergy as qualified or superior to my faith. The practice of religion can be a religion of one declared by me. That is true by the Constitution though it is not my belief. How else have atheists managed to impose their “religion” on societal norms and practice such as prayer in school?

I can even create my own code or bible but The Bible says “Let each seek his own salvation with fear and trembling” That, in my upbringing, means I will find my own salvation according to my own understanding and image of my God or even some other person or thing though mine is God. My understanding may be wrong and I may fail but it is still my choice and understanding of even God’s word.

I will not recognize any man who claims to judge my sincerity or correctness of religious belief. It is not for a man, any man, to say that I am right or wrong in this regard. Many of us will surely fail in fact but it is at our own peril. All dogs may go to heaven but all men will not and it will surprise all of us how it turns out.

The consequence of failure to obey God’s word correctly in my religious understanding is too critical for me or anyone else to direct me or for me to direct them. I will not allow anyone to tell me how to attain my salvation without invoking my own discretion, understanding and discernment. I will also not tell or expect anyone else to follow my direction as to how to pursue salvation and perhaps because of a mistake condemn them to the fires of hell for all eternity without expecting them to prove the way is right for themselves. I will lead them to The Word though and let them make their own choices.

Religious accommodation has been offered and it can only rightfully be offered without conditions neither have I seen such conditions attached other than the misdirected and unprovable suggestion of “sincerely held”. Tomfoolery written by someone who has no idea what he is saying. It is not definable or determinable.

I will accept your offer of exception to the Covid Vaccine on the grounds of sincerely held religious belief and in accordance with my sincerely held religious belief my position is that I will not take the Covid-19 vaccine. End of story, stick to it.

If one insists on a religious reason there are others, at least one comes to mind: “Do you not know your body is a temple?” I have not and will not knowingly take anything into my body that I believe to defile it or not to the advantage of my body and I will not now. End of story. “But you take other vaccines, why not this one?” Because I believe those others prevent disease and are to the advantage of my body.

The Declaration states that our rights, as recognized and enumerated, derive from God. It also recognizes that nobody can take these stated and personally held rights away from us and then goes on in the Bill of Rights to state these rights. Do not let them take away your God given right to self-determination.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers....”

None of this calls for anarchy, indeed, it calls for the strictest adherence to order and respect of our rights. I don’t see anyplace it provides for capricious mandates of questionable and evidently increasingly ineffective vaccines of any kind or derivation. Nor does it call for or permit determination by anyone as to the sincerity and nature of my religious beliefs.


18 posted on 10/18/2021 7:28:50 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.I ha)
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Bkmk


23 posted on 10/18/2021 7:08:24 PM PDT by sauropod
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