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Fact Check - Merck’s experimental COVID-19 antiviral drug is not ‘repackaged Ivermectin’
Reuters ^ | 10/13/2021 | Reuters Fact Check

Posted on 10/13/2021 7:49:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Well, we know that IVM is safe, beyond any reasonable doubt. One of the safest drugs ever marketed.

And we’re pretty sure that it’s got some effectiveness, but even Tess Lawrie’s very solid meta-analysis has to rely on small, poorly funded studies. The error bars are bigger than anyone would like.

The trials that Merck is relying on for their new drug were designed to put it in the best possible light, which is fine. They recruited only people at high risk of complications, and within 5 days of onset of symptoms.

The big “Together” trial, which the media and our ruling junta rely on to show that IVM doesn’t work, did the opposite. No screening for high risk (ie, young healthy people will get fine on their own, so reducing possible efficacy data), and recruited out to 10 days post symptom (so a bunch of the study group were already out of the viral phase where IVM appears to have the most efficacy.)

No one had to conspire to get these results, they just let the existing system run on the rails that had already been laid.

What would a large, multi-center trial of IVM show, using the same design as the Molnupiravir show? We’ll never know, because no one will fund it, so it won’t be conducted.

I don’t blame the drug companies, but if this isn’t a core responsibility of a functioning government, I don’t know what is.


21 posted on 10/13/2021 8:36:12 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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Molnupavir is completely unlike Ivermectin. Ivermectin is a well-known anthelmintic, a positive allosteric modulator of glutamate-gated chloride channels. Some anthelmintics appear to have anti-malarial, anti-viral, and anti-cancer effects.

On the other hand, Molnupavir is a close cousin of Remdesivir. However Remdesivir cannot be taken orally. This was the goal of of the development of Molnupavir. This Nature article does a very good job of describing the pharmacokinetics/pharmacodynamics of Molnupavir:

"Similar to other nucleoside analogs, molnupiravir targets the SARS-CoV-2 RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (RdRp), which mediates replication and transcription of the coronavirus genome. Viral RdRps are proven effective targets for inhibition, with several licensed nucleoside analogs that are used therapeutically. Indeed, the only currently clinically approved antiviral used for the treatment of COVID-19 is remdesivir (Veklury), which targets the RdRp. Similar to remdesivir, molnupiravir has been re-investigated as a coronavirus antiviral agent that leads to increased frequency of G-to-A and C-to-U transition mutations."

22 posted on 10/13/2021 8:37:20 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Each of you have at least ONE of these in your 401k: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stick with ivermectin
World has been using it for 40-50 years with negligible reports of any serious side effects unless compromised liver or kidney disease
This new stuff…already reported has potentially serious side effects
Long term unknown, There is no long term,


23 posted on 10/13/2021 8:44:56 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: SeekAndFind

Fwiw

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pbmpdVdnGBO8/

Dna mutations and cancers


24 posted on 10/13/2021 8:48:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: SeekAndFind

Its great that it is not repackaged Ivermectin because Ivermectin is a better drug by far and costs much less.


25 posted on 10/13/2021 8:49:43 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: StAnDeliver

Some highlights from the video and referenced comparison article

https://youtu.be/hKa3EZqofNo

https://austinpublishinggroup.com/pharmacology-therapeutics/fulltext/ajpt-v9-id1149.pdf

Tmax (the time it takes to get to maximum plasma concentrations)
Molnupiravir : 1-1.75 hours
Ivermectin : 4-6 hours

Half life
Molnupiravir : 7 hours
Ivermectin : 81-91 hours (less than this according to some other researches, but still far better than Molnupiravir. Besides Ivermectin has the ability to accumulate in the lungs, which is very important for treating Sars-Cov-2 infection)

Inhibation of cytokine production and inflammation
Molnupiravir : Not known yet
Ivermectin : Effective

Total Cost/Price per treatment
Molnupiravir : 700 USD
Ivermectin : 0.53 USD

Safety/Adverse events
Molnupiravir : Unknown yet
Ivermectin : Very low number of adverse events (3.7 billion doses have been given to humans so far and only 5693 AE records retrieved. For comparison the number for ibuprofen is 165.479

More in the video above


26 posted on 10/13/2021 8:53:08 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: SeekAndFind

“the chemical make-up of the two drugs is different.” Probably true. The new drug has little bitty aliens in it.


27 posted on 10/13/2021 9:02:22 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: SeekAndFind

True....Ivermectin is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE!!!!! (and cheaper).


28 posted on 10/13/2021 9:06:01 AM PDT by G Larry (I speak to be precise and refusing to change doesn't mean you can assign imprecise labels.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s a statistic:

Adverse Events reported, lifetime, for Ibuprofin: 169,000+
Adverse Events reported, lifetime, for Ivermectin: 5800+

You can buy advil in any grocery store.


29 posted on 10/13/2021 9:11:34 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

This is moot. For an EUA, there cannot be another viable approved drug available to treat the illness.

The reason why they stomped on Ivermectin so hard is because if Ivermectin were declared safe and effective against COVID, then none of the gene therapies would have been eligible for EUA.

I will point out that STILL there are no approved gene therapies for Covid 19. The existing Pfizer one is still on EUA. They have not made the switch to Comviranty or whatever the f*ck that poison is called.


30 posted on 10/13/2021 9:17:31 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: rightwingcrazy

Disagree. The greatest difference is the cost to the consumer and potentially monstrous profit for Merck. Follow the money.


31 posted on 10/13/2021 10:37:16 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (The Media is the Virus.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be safer if it were


32 posted on 10/13/2021 10:42:18 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: SeekAndFind
Which means it actually is.

They seem to be incapable of telling the truth.

33 posted on 10/13/2021 10:43:13 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I had my emotional DNA done. Turns out I am a reincarnation of Subadar Prag Tewarri.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They are not the same. But that’s not really material. Does one work better than the other? We have to study them in a head to head clinical trial to find out. It’s been done before. But it won’t be funded by government or government funded NGOs. That’s the other problem.


34 posted on 10/13/2021 10:49:19 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
How DO they live with themselves?

Stock options, million dollar salaries, private jets, expensive cocktails, housekeepers, private chefs, luxury mattresses and lots of pills.

35 posted on 10/13/2021 10:51:44 AM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Grimmy

The active molecules are not the same.


36 posted on 10/13/2021 10:58:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Seruzawa

Our despicable ruling class is trying to break down Americans into just livestock to be managed, taken advantage of, and slaughtered.

They are like the dairy farmer that pets his milk cows every day and then sends them to slaughter thr moment they can no longer produce milk.


37 posted on 10/13/2021 11:02:47 AM PDT by WMarshal ("Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Efficacy and Safety are the main issues at question when evaluating a drug.

As to safety, Ivermectin has a 40 to 50 year record proving safety. Molnupiravir is new and may well be proven safe in forthcoming trials.

As to efficacy, Ivermectin has undergone multiple peer revievew test and been show effective in both prevention and early treatment. In addition it has undergone at least one peer review meta analysis published in a major medical journal confirming finding both as to prevention and early treatment. In addition it received a recommendation for physician prescription both as a prevention and early treatment. Molnupiravir is new and may well be proven effective in forthcomming trials.

Both medications may be shown to be both safe and effective. There is no medical requirement that only one medication be approved for treatment of any one issue. Indeed, look at the number of approved medication for blood pressure control. If they are both safe and effective, approve both and allow the patient and doctor to decide which to use. If a third, forth, or even fifth meets the criteria, approve them also. The more the merrier.

I will answer myself. Cost and profit. The FDA is in the business of protecting the pharmaceutical companies, not the public. Molnupiravir can never compete with ivermectin on cost thus the field must be cleared to protect the cost structure of our drug business.


38 posted on 10/13/2021 11:07:58 AM PDT by etcb
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To: silverleaf

Now THAT is the kind of data which we the people need in order to make informed decisions. Sadly, the current evil regime does not want or enable informed decisions.


39 posted on 10/13/2021 11:10:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: silverleaf
"Dna mutations and cancers"

Not impossible. Remdesivir and Molnupavir have some serious potential side effects in both of their respective Rx listings.

However, it is out of our hands once the FDA grants Merck their EUA, Molnupiravir will rapidly become first-line treatment of choice, which will kill the experimental serum mandates. Every cloud = silver lining...

40 posted on 10/13/2021 12:03:26 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Each of you have at least ONE of these in your 401k: Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson)
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