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CDC Director Says Vaccines 'Can't Prevent Transmission'; Dr. Fauci Says 'It's Too Early To Tell' On Holiday Gatherings
Libertarian Hub ^ | 10/03/2021 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 10/03/2021 6:18:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: jonrick46
This pandemic has been a real ride.

This pandemic has been a huge hoax perpetrated on the world to control them.

61 posted on 10/03/2021 10:17:20 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: SeekAndFind

Insanity. SMH


62 posted on 10/03/2021 10:17:35 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( PRAY FOR OUR NATION. I will never b.e a peaceful slave in a new socialist America.)
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To: Brian Griffin

One other factor — why ignore NATURAL IMMUNITY from the already infected and recovered?

Several studies have shown that those with naturally acquired immunity have more robust and longer-lasting antibodies compared to the vaccinated.

So, why force the vaccines on these people under the threat of losing their livelihood?


63 posted on 10/03/2021 10:19:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Brian Griffin
One childhood vaccine[DTaP] is scheduled to be given five times.

Yeah, because giving a shot to a 2, 4, and 6 month old infant is so worth it.

Giving that number of injections to babies that little is criminal and we wouldn’t “need” 5 for actual immunity if they just waited a few months.

64 posted on 10/03/2021 10:22:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Brian Griffin

RE: Mayor, we still have lots of crime in our city year after year despite paying 100 police officers year after year.

Mayor, shouldn’t we be looking into the many cases of police who actually HARM the citizens they are supposed to protect?

Should we be forcing citizens to fund these people in the force?


65 posted on 10/03/2021 10:22:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: jonrick46
Also, when a vaccinated person is infected with the Delta Variant, they will get natural immunity that will add to the immunity they have with the vaccine with less serious illness.

I never do this, but I would be most appreciative for links to the studies that show this. All I can find is scattered reports of destruction of natural immunity by the vaccine.

66 posted on 10/03/2021 10:24:56 PM PDT by Stentor ( )
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To: jonrick46

1) Covid never had that high a level of risk, ESPECIALLY if treated early on.

2) There is no precedent for locking down a nation over a cold virus that the medical community refused to treat until the person was in critical condition.

3) Context. Look at who’s in charge and what they atpre trying to control. Is it the virus? Or the people?

4) The vax is not the only option for treating COVID, nor is it the best one. The government CHOSE to prohibit any other option so as to get their EUA for their ineffective so-called vax.


67 posted on 10/03/2021 10:27:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: metmom
The vax is not the only option for treating COVID, nor is it the best one. The government CHOSE to prohibit any other option so as to get their EUA for their ineffective so-called vax.

That's the Cliff note version, and it cannot be argued with.


68 posted on 10/03/2021 10:43:49 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: metmom

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic. I hope all will faithfully read the manufacture’s complete statement:

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/


69 posted on 10/03/2021 11:14:34 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Stentor

Here is where I found the immunity boost phenomenon given to one vaccinated through a breakthrough infection:

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/is-breakthrough-covid-19-like-a-booster-shot-immunity-20211001.html


70 posted on 10/04/2021 1:00:29 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: jonrick46
People routinely get boosters for illnesses such as chickenpox, tetanus, diphtheria, mumps, measles, and rubella—to name a few.

Nonsense. People are not "routinely getting boosters" for these illnesses.

Chickenpox - No CDC documents contain the word "booster." From WebMD:

Who Should Get Vaccinated With the Chickenpox Vaccine?

The chickenpox vaccine is recommended for all children under age 13 who have not had chickenpox. It is also recommended for all adolescents and adults who have not been vaccinated and have not had chickenpox.

If you have had chickenpox, there is no need for you to get the vaccine.

From Wikipedia:

Duration of immunity

The long-term duration of protection from varicella vaccine is unknown, but there are now persons vaccinated twenty years ago with no evidence of waning immunity, while others have become vulnerable in as few as six years...

according to the World Health Organization: "After observation of study populations for periods of up to 20 years in Japan and 10 years in the United States, more than 90% of immunocompetent persons who were vaccinated as children were still protected from varicella."

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella - from Immunization Action Coalition Ask The Experts (www.immunize.org):

Do any adults need "booster" doses of MMR vaccine to prevent measles?

No. Adults with evidence of immunity do not need any further vaccines. No "booster" doses of MMR vaccine are recommended for either adults or children. They are considered to have life-long immunity once they have received the recommended number of MMR vaccine doses or have other evidence of immunity.

Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis - From the Mayo Clinic:

Children 10 years of age and older, and adults, may need an additional immunization called a booster against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis. Adults and teenagers should receive Tdap instead of the tetanus-diphtheria (Td) injection if it has been 10 years or more since their last tetanus-diphtheria vaccine.
-PJ
71 posted on 10/04/2021 1:57:48 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too; jonrick46
Busted, Jonrick.

#FibberMcGee

#FollowTheScience


72 posted on 10/04/2021 2:00:36 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: Rurudyne

“That’s because is not a vaccine, it’s marketing!”

That’s because it’s not a vaccine. It’s Biden keeping up his end of the deal for Pharma to help him “win” the election.


73 posted on 10/04/2021 2:12:02 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (“If TPTB can force you to take a shot, what CAN'T they force you to take?” - T. Carlson (paraphrased)
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To: T.B. Yoits

We’d better get this goblin under control soon, or we’ll be shot down like dogs in the street. It’s what’s happening in Australia now, and were not far behind.

Trump’s biggest mistake: Fauci-Pence.


74 posted on 10/04/2021 2:16:05 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (“If TPTB can force you to take a shot, what CAN'T they force you to take?” - T. Carlson (paraphrased)
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To: jonrick46
"...Proportionality. Higher levels of risk justify more restrictive limitations on individual freedom, where risk is construed as a combination of risks posed by a disease and the ease of transmission of that disease in relevant local circumstances..."

Given these comparative odds from a peer reviewed paper for the risk of dying from this pathogen, this fails one of the four criteria you listed.

If this had even a 10% mortality rate, there might be justification, never mind a 30% or 40% rate.

But it doesn't. It doesn't not even in the groups most at risk.

If this were something that warranted these unconstitutional measures, an exception could be devised. And mandates wouldn't be required. People would clamor for it, not be forced at the point of a government gun and the loss of their livelihood to submit to it.

People that would support these measures for a pathogen of this lethality, in order to obtain some semblance of perceived safety by forcing these measures on ostensibly free people are not only not conservative, they don't deserve liberty.

75 posted on 10/04/2021 5:40:15 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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To: jonrick46

And if you believe big pharma, you are a fool.

Their history gives no one any basis for trust in them in the least.


76 posted on 10/04/2021 7:46:10 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: jonrick46

What a load of crap.

Ivermectin turned the tide for me. Took five pills at 6 a.m. At 6 p.m. I realized I felt a slight bit better. By 8 p.m., I decided that I probably did not want to die any more.

Next morning it was much better, and I took the next five pills. Five pills at 6 a.m. for five days in a row. Miracle.

I still don’t know if I was so sick from Covid — which I had — or from the monoclonal shots I got. The day after the monoclonal, Hubby and I took a definite downturn. We still wonder what was REALLY in the vials.


77 posted on 10/04/2021 7:58:05 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: SeekAndFind
So, an illness that effects everyone with hugely varying degrees of severity now has a "vaccine" that doesn't prefent transmission but supposedly effects the severity of the disease.

Sure, Jan.

78 posted on 10/04/2021 8:01:26 AM PDT by riri (Hope is not a strategy at this point- Sam Andrews)
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To: riri

If you read some of the vaccine defenders in this thread, they seem to be saying that it STILL lessens your chances of being infected and thus transmitting the disease compared to your being unvaccinated.

In other words, the argument is — don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good ( or somewhat good ).


79 posted on 10/04/2021 8:25:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Future generations are going to be like, "Wait, what--so billions of them took this entirely experimental vaccine given to them by dubious characters who openly expressed their desire to rid the planet of billions of them and who had proven themselves to be diabolical, genocidal maniacs time and time again?"

How? Why?

80 posted on 10/04/2021 8:34:06 AM PDT by riri (Hope is not a strategy at this point- Sam Andrews)
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