I have come to view COVID as correctly described as a 2 stage disease, which does not manifest as Stage 2 in most people. Stage 1 is usually harmless to the infected person, and is largely confined to nasal passages (minor leakage is usually not serious, apparently), but it is often highly contagious. Stage 1 is epidemic to most everybody.
~~Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
~~I agree with everything in your first paragraph. I don’t think we still know exactly why some get extremely ill and others don’t—there are emerging profiles, but there are plenty of exceptions, and of course since these experimental drugs are so new, we get new profiles such as young adult males developing myocarditis, etc.
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Stage 2 is where it gets further - bloodstream, serious lung infection, etc., and starts kicking off the comorbidities when present. Stage 2 is the real epidemic of the vulnerable unvaccinated.
~~I agree that there is a secondary phase—where people can end up in the ICU...I am not sure exactly why some progress to that phase, but I do believe from what I have read that there are early protocols including MAs, Ivermectin and/or HCQ and Zinc, etc. that can mitigate the disease—head it off at the pass...And there are Freepers here who have testified to this first hand...
~~I believe facts are emerging that indicate that COVID is not an epidemic of the “vulnerable unvaccinated”...Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are at risk...Hence the push for boosters and the elimination of a control group. Both vaxxed and unvaxxed can catch and transmit the virus. There are reports that ultimately the vaccinated may be at more risk...
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As for the rest:
I question if you have gone out and personally acquired a large amount of information from very numerous people of varying backgrounds and beliefs “in the flesh”. If lacking other access, volunteer a few weeks, helping out as your abilities allow, in a hospital or two. Or do that through someone in whom you have complete, well earned trust. Because... virtually ALL else in this modern world is often (OFTEN!) illusion. (Even me, as “PaulR” on FR, might be illusion or deception, but at least I suggest a proper alternate course for learning about something that can be life or death from misinformation.)
~~~I don’t need to go volunteer in a hospital or talk to people to acquire real world information—frankly, I would rather read reports/watch interviews with credentialed experts—who, for the most part, were highly regarded in their fields until they “colored outside the lines” and started challenging big pharma and the bureaucrats.
~~Trust? Actually, I live with a PhD who does statistical analysis for pharmaceutical clinical trials—20+ years of experience. They have plenty of insight into clinical trial design and data analysis. I also live with an “essential worker/front-line” who works in a hospital and also works for another hospital group lab—oh and they have completed grad work towards both biostatistics and infectious disease/infection control degrees...So seriously, I get trusted real-world information exposure in my own household—I have family working at Mayo Clinic as well. One thing— that I live with a family member who had TB and cannot get the virus, so I am not going to add to their risk by going out and volunteering in hospitals or talking to people who likely know less than my own family members as well as the experts I follow on-line. Those experts are people like Dr. Kory and Dr. Malone—far more credentialed than most.
~~I appreciate your thoughts, but I think you and I differ on the source of the misinformation.
~~Also, initially I did not believe in the idea of a planned take down of the US economy. However, continual lockdowns (Remember 2-weeks to flatten the curve?), extensions of Emergency Powers (It has been 18 months?!?!), censorship of any “alternative course for learning” that might challenge experimental vaxxes, mandates leading to job loss and denial of services, and passports leading to increasing government control and loss of liberty give me pause. I have seriously reconsidered my naivete in January 2020.
Have a nice evening.
No, you are confusing what I said. I proposed that there are for all practical purposes two different epidemics, related because they are caused by the same vector. The first is harmless to most people (luckily, as I absolutely agree Stage 1 Covid is epidemic among almost all people who have not had it, vaccinated or not. The second is where we set aside as a group those vulnerable to severe disease or complications. "Stage 2 COVID". The feedback to me that I can most trust (ie., no internet stuff, etc.), much of it from health care pros actually treating COVID patients, indicates that in that group, a much higher current rate of un-vaccinated persons are seriously ill, than the current rate of vaccinated persons, adjusted for the size of each population.
As for the rest:
Then how do you explain that out of many, many trusted contacts, both in and out of the health care field, covering what might loosely be called a study base, of well over 10k people, I can find NO evidence of fatal vaccine reactions?
Good God, if something like that happened in, say, the private school system my wife works in, there is no way it could be suppressed or covered up. The same for the other groups. Oh, people have died since vaccination for sure, including my own Mom. But those passings were all totally unrelated: Car accidents, Stage 4 cancer, a long standing GI problem (my Mom), a severe bacteria infection, etc. Those account for ALL the deaths. I'm not saying that would hold up perfectly in the next 10k people, but, I'll bet it'd be darn close as a predictor.
At this point, I don't believe your experts any more than I believe Fauci, without direct(!) supporting information. I first listen to what friends who are pros, and my doctor, trusted people actually in the trenches treating Covid patients say, and when it comes to vaccine reactions, I foremost do my own research and counts.
Of course, there is another potential explanation: Biology and biochemistry works differently in "my" group than yours. (Just kidding.)
Now, at least you have been reasonable in your responses, and I appreciate that.