I feel like you're talking to yourself, helicopter.
But sometimes, one must tell the simple minded things again and again until it gets through the fog surrounding their tiny brain.
And by 'the simple minded', I mean you.
Posted on 09/25/2021 12:37:57 PM PDT by BeauBo
I feel like you're talking to yourself, helicopter.
But sometimes, one must tell the simple minded things again and again until it gets through the fog surrounding their tiny brain.
And by 'the simple minded', I mean you.
Development of ACE2 autoantibodies after SARS-CoV-2 infection
Abstract
Background
Activation of the immune system is implicated in the Post-Acute Sequelae after SARS-CoV-2 infection (PASC) but the mechanisms remain unknown. Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) cleaves angiotensin II (Ang II) resulting in decreased activation of the AT1 receptor and decreased immune system activation. We hypothesized that autoantibodies against ACE2 may develop after SARS-CoV-2 infection, as anti-idiotypic antibodies to anti-spike protein antibodies.
Methods and findings
We tested plasma or serum for ACE2 antibodies in 67 patients with known SARS-CoV-2 infection and 13 with no history of infection. None of the 13 patients without history of SARS-CoV-2 infection and 1 of the 20 outpatients that had a positive PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 had levels of ACE2 antibodies above the cutoff threshold. In contrast, 26/32 (81%) in the convalescent group and 14/15 (93%) of patients acutely hospitalized had detectable ACE2 antibodies. Plasma from patients with antibodies against ACE2 had less soluble ACE2 activity in plasma but similar amounts of ACE2 protein compared to patients without ACE2 antibodies. We measured the capacity of the samples to inhibit ACE2 enzyme activity. Addition of plasma from patients with ACE2 antibodies led to decreased activity of an exogenous preparation of ACE2 compared to patients that did not have antibodies. Conclusions
Many patients with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection have antibodies specific for ACE2. Patients with ACE2 antibodies have lower activity of soluble ACE2 in plasma. Plasma from these patients also inhibits exogenous ACE2 activity. These findings are consistent with the hypothesis that ACE2 antibodies develop after SARS-CoV-2 infection and decrease ACE2 activity. This could lead to an increase in the abundance of Ang II, which causes a proinflammatory state that triggers symptoms of PASC.
It’s one thing. I bet the body knows what it’s doing.
Vax crackpot, yes, and I will continue to use the term if the shoe fits. Do you ever research these sources at all or just decide they’re legit because they tell you what you want to hear? I posted a link a couple of days ago but it wasn’t functional so I assume there’s a learning curve there, as well. Regardless, his credentials, his education, are irrelevant. His anti-vax kookery is.
“I know you have no creds”—-because I’m new and therefore suspicious? And not spouting stuff about poison shots? Idk what to tell you, then. I do have a “deal” with anti-vaxxers and I find it amazing that 21st century conservatives believe vaccines are a bad thing.
Show me a conservative who’s in favor of mandates.
Lol, you think I feel threatened? By what, text on an IPhone screen? I wasn’t talking about me. As for “complying” by getting the shot, part of the problem is that you’ve allowed the left to dictate your thoughts, responses, and entire viewpoint. They went off the deep end with the mask fetish and Fauci worship, so you went too far in the other direction. Liberals love masks? Then the vaccine must be bad, I don’t trust it! It’s just a vaccine for a virus. It’s that simple. Not everything is political, or in this case, both sides have politicized something that isn’t. I decided to cut through all of that BS
If you’re passionate about crackpots simply because they “buck the system” while ignoring their lunacy then yes, the country is absolutely done because the people who used to be thinkers have tossed their minds aside in favor of feelings and emotion. Exactly like the left.
I don’t understand what “a typo from a Virginian” means, but as far as me posting mostly on the vaccine topic, yeah it looks like I have so far. Is that something else I’m supposed to check in about? Not gonna happen. Back up with the hall monitor act.
Never been to Twitter, have you? There’s more anti vax activity there than here. And no, I don’t feel oppressed or attacked. Intimidation doesn’t work with me. I was speaking about @BeauBo being harassed into silence.
Take Vitamin C until you get diarrhea https://twitter.com/timothywjohnson/status/1286298621735047170?s=21
There was a thread on here with a Covid patient asking for advice. Someone said boil vinegar and breathe the steam, it kills the virus in your throat. Not the first time I’ve seen that quackery.
Sounds to me like you’ve given up and decided to be a victim re:passports. Your choice, I guess. Or maybe you just want to argue with everything I say, lol.
Oh good Lord, Fauci isn’t in control of anything. I couldn’t give a damn what he wants. At the same time, I won’t kneejerk into an emotional reaction. You sound totally beaten down and that’s sad.
It’s really weird, because none of the med profs in my family are being dictated to. They prescribe based on what they think is best for the patient. My husband’s doctor is a Libertarian. He said he lost 9 patients to Covid last week, all unvaccinated. The local hospital couldn’t accept a heart attack case because there’s no room.
Here’s the difference. You attack the vast majority of medical professionals who don’t reinforce your POV. I attack the small minority of quacks and crackpots.
Okay, again with the newcomer stuff. I’m beginning to see that y’all are insular to the point of really not wanting new members, right? I mean seriously. It’s like “how dare you sign up here” lol.
I do enjoy being a woman, tbh. It’s easy to pick out the misfits whose only female experience came with an air nozzle.
He’s very “special.”
I think its a helicopter.
I'm trying to be your friend. You enjoyed talking about my children, so I just assumed you would enjoy talking about your children too. You do, right? Enjoy it?
So, tell me, new person. How old are the little nippers? Isn't it a joy watching them grow?
I do enjoy being a woman, tbh.
Does anybody else?
Said the vax shill noob who responded with a hugely long post.
I had to take 6 screenshots to refer to.
Or...you could scroll down in the reply box and look at the post your responding to.
I do have a “deal” with anti-vaxxers and I find it amazing that 21st century conservatives believe vaccines are a bad thing.
Of course you meant to say you find it amazing that 21st century conservatives trust and believe what the government tells you, despite the mountains of evidence that they are lying, then rush out and do what they're told, even if it means pumping poison into their blood.
Show me a conservative who’s in favor of mandates.
How many times do I have to explain to you rabbits that your fearmongering, compliance, and vax pushing is supporting mandates by proxy?
...part of the problem is that you’ve allowed the left to dictate your thoughts, responses, and entire viewpoint.
What an odd statement, coming from an obvious vax shill who allowed Fauci, the CDC, the NIH, the WHO, the democrats, and the Chinese to dictate your thoughts, responses, and entire viewpoint. You sound ridiculous.
It’s just a vaccine for a virus.
Except that its not. Vaccines prevent a person from contracting the disease they are vaccinating against. This concoction allows people not only to catch the disease, but to spread it, mutate it, maim, and kill people. So what are you even talking about?
I decided to cut through all of that BS.
Hilarious. So you're the 'BS cutter' come to set us all straight, eh? Bully for you. But here's a pro-tip. You can't cut through the truth with your own BS, dear.
Never been to Twitter, have you? There’s more anti vax activity there than here.
Good for Twitter. BTW, there's a few more bajillion people on Twitter than are on here, darling. You've never been to Twitter but you know how much 'anti-vax' activity is there? Tell us more, Sherlock.
Someone said boil vinegar and breathe the steam, it kills the virus in your throat.
Do you know that it doesn't, Professor? Or do you just FEEL that it doesn't?
Or maybe you just want to argue with everything I say, lol.
Everything you say needs arguing with.
Oh good Lord, Fauci isn’t in control of anything. I couldn’t give a damn what he wants.
It doesn't matter what you give a damn about. Not when fake President Biden gives a damn, CDC, NIH, FDA, democrats, governors, and the 'medical community' give a damn.
The simple fact is, your beliefs and rhetoric follow Fauci, support Fauci, and empower Fauci. You are a Fauci rabbit.
Yay. Mickety gots a girlfriend.
Finally.
Sorry you did not need to refute my comments. That is not a rule here. No need to do it again...Your time and mine is too valuable.
I certainly did not expect you to refute or ignore pretty much everything I said...No common ground. I spent a lot of time trying to share what believe, know, and have found to be true. Sorry I wasted your time and mine.
SIX Screen Shots?? I don’t know what platform you are using to post on FR, but for the most part, “tags” are not necessary. A simple copy and paste works well...eh and links are simply copy and paste too. You are smart—it is not that difficult. If you are using an iPhone, that may be your problem...I suggest you use a tablet—they work better.
Thank you so much for clarifying my misunderstandings...One twitter link and lots of opinions. I will share your post with the medical professionals in my family, one with PhD who actually works on pharmaceutical clinical trials data, and one with MS in progress in infectious diseases/infection control. They will appreciate the corrections and repudiations from someone with your credentials and research efforts./sarc
/No sarc I am truly sorry your husband’s doctor lost NINE patients in one week. You are focusing on fact that they are unvaxxed...I am going to change the focus...Now I know your husband has a personal affiliation with this doctor, so I am not trying to be snarky about this, but personally, I would be concerned about what protocols were being followed to lose 9 patients in one week—vaxxed or not vaxxed. There are “anti-vaxquackpots” who have not lost any patients...Does the hospital only allow CDC protocols? Remdesivir?
I don’t know what prophylaxis the “9 unvaccinated” patients were using—or if anything was recommended/prescribed by your husband’s libertarian doc. Perhaps patients were not aware of Ivermectin or perhaps they were...Though you clearly don’t approve of alternative therapies; many do, some here have seen them work first-hand. Sadly, some people find out about HCQ or Ivermectin D3/Zinc, etc. late in the game as the Media Matters types and YouTube/Twitter/FB have done their best to censor, attack anyone with an alternative therapy...anti-vaxquackpots? and denigrate the therapies. Hmmm.
The virus attacks BOTH vaxxed and unvaxxed...Both are spreading it...2 articles today about 2 people who had received 3 shots...one in ICU and one died. It is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
You don’t know me so you don’t know what I think—what I have allowed and not allowed. I am not a victim of anything...and clearly you don’t care what I think, which is fine.
LOL uh, yeah, I have been to Twitter...Just a little bit. My start date is August of 2009—Yours? Eh I really don’t care. Since 2020, I prefer other platforms...Twitter is leftist attacking conservatives, promoting censorship/globalism. Regarding Vit. C and crapping out COVID, that was not what the doctors in that Tweet said—they were talking about determining mega Vit C dosages. Actually it is true that if you want to see how much Vit. C your body can tolerate/max dose which is what some doctors recommend to fight a cold/flu/virus..., you take it until you have diarrhea. Nothing to do with pooping out COVID...
BTW, I noticed that your Twitter source is a doctor correspondent who used to be with ABC but is now “Senior writer focusing on anti-vaccine misinfo, right-wing extremism, and legal issues” with MEDIA MATTERS?!?! Sheesh—Media Matters? Talk about fake news...Explains a lot!!
Many here (including me) have spent considerable time researching the virus and the “vaccine” from a variety of sources. And you question my sources or research? Seriously? Media Matters?
I am not beaten down, but I am very sad for our country because of how the virus was used to hurt the economy, and the “vaccine” and the mandates are being used to install a 2-tiered system of medical tyranny. I am sad that you don’t see that. But for the compliant, life will be easy for a while anyway.
Time will tell regarding these vaccines, and truth is being revealed daily with breakthrough infections of people who got 2 or 3 shots...
FR really is not insular, but some people take time lurking a while before going total snark. Early on, I got a major smack down. I did not snark back~I was polite and reasonable—I learned a little more about FR, the formal rules and unwritten rules...Actually I became friends with that person corresponding privately about all sorts of things....And yes, at FR we absolutely do look at start dates because there have been many trolls and posers here with suspect agendas—they often emerge during intense political times like now and during elections....
In the mean time, y’all* enjoy FR...
*(you spelled it incorrectly as “yall” in first post to me—I lived in TN for several years, so it stood out).
Excellent post, sir/madam.
Your thoughtful posts are the lifeblood of a forum such as this. Keep on, keeping on!!
After the reply I received this evening, your post truly made my night!!
And I appreciate your comments throughout the forum as well :)
Good job.
Would it be wrong, morally, for a government entity in the USA to covertly deploy people to infiltrate the public square/debate to promote or persuade the citizenry on the government’s positions?
I think that is morally wrong, do you?
That’s very unfortunate. It will mean a good number of us spend less time here. I found your threads a good place to both learn and ask questions. (That’s something which about 90% of your attackers never genuinely do, as they clearly don’t believe they have anything to learn. I on the other hand believe that the most important thing to me after God, country and my family, is to keep learning as much new information as possible, even when it disagrees with what I “think” I know. Maybe that last is the most important of all to be learned?)
I figure I’ll go out like John Sheridan (Babylon 5), having learned only 10% (my figure) of what I wanted to have learned. Perhaps you are a kindred soul. ;-)
I do understand the time aspect - heh, it’s a big reason why I search for your updates! Would you consider doing a weekly update, say, on Fridays, sent by FReepmail? I think you well know who would appreciate it, and you could always ask first (again by FReepmail) if people wanted to receive such a FReepmail series. It’d ALSO make looking up the info from you easy peasy.
In any event, I very much appreciate the effort you have put into these threads. I bet even PDJT would say “thanks”, if he knew...
Oh, BTW, my sis-in-law’s hubby is doing slightly better, on last report. We are praying and keeping our fingers crossed.
Also, I survived my 27 hour bus trip (and the drive back home.) Pardon the language, but that bus trip... holy crap! It’ll be a miracle of my own (or a heck of a testament to N95’s and the Moderna vaccine) if I don’t come down with at least a moderate case of COVID. And that might not be the most jarring part of the journey. The whole thing was like “2nd world” in the good spots, down to mid-low end 3rd world in others.) Maybe when I have more time I’ll describe further...
I have come to view COVID as correctly described as a 2 stage disease, which does not manifest as Stage 2 in most people. Stage 1 is usually harmless to the infected person, and is largely confined to nasal passages (minor leakage is usually not serious, apparently), but it is often highly contagious. Stage 1 is epidemic to most everybody.
Stage 2 is where it gets further - bloodstream, serious lung infection, etc., and starts kicking off the comorbidities when present. Stage 2 is the real epidemic of the vulnerable unvaccinated.
As for the rest:
I question if you have gone out and personally acquired a large amount of information from very numerous people of varying backgrounds and beliefs “in the flesh”. If lacking other access, volunteer a few weeks, helping out as your abilities allow, in a hospital or two. Or do that through someone in whom you have complete, well earned trust. Because... virtually ALL else in this modern world is often (OFTEN!) illusion. (Even me, as “PaulR” on FR, might be illusion or deception, but at least I suggest a proper alternate course for learning about something that can be life or death from misinformation.)
On this, we agree.
why do you still wear a mask after you got the vaccine to protect yourself from the virus?...
our government’s actions and double standards prove the kung flu is a scam...
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