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Diabetes then & now (Doctors have known since 1800 that either low carb or fasting reversed diabetes)
Doctor’s Review ^ | March 2009 | by DR. VINCENT WOO, JACKIE ROSENHEK & SUSAN USHER

Posted on 09/06/2021 2:34:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

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To: gitmo

You both had D2?

Glas to hear you’re both in remission, now.


61 posted on 09/06/2021 8:22:28 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation.)
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To: Freedom4US

What ever, I know that Keto if followed rigidly reverses it and the visceral fat disappears. Potatoe potato.


62 posted on 09/06/2021 8:49:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: Wissa

Wow, I’ve fasted three days a couple of times.


63 posted on 09/06/2021 9:57:21 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Wissa
The longest known fast was in 1971, when a 27-year-old man survived on water and supplements for 382 days and shrank from 456 to 180 pounds.
64 posted on 09/07/2021 12:22:48 AM PDT by Greg67
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To: DuncanWaring

Fascinating. Great find! Thank you.


65 posted on 09/07/2021 4:33:47 AM PDT by ZinGirl (Now a grandma ....can't afford a tagline :))
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To: BobL

I probably should have said less trusting in their dietary advice and recommendations pertaining to diet.

General care aside from covid care is generally top shelf.


66 posted on 09/07/2021 7:05:46 AM PDT by zek157
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To: zek157

It’s really stuff they understand, they do well.

The stuff they don’t understand is where they are total idiots because they’re too arrogant to admit they don’t understand it, and nutrition is right up there, along with viruses (we now know). And they have a near-perfect record of being wrong on their guessing, as we keep seeing over and over.


67 posted on 09/07/2021 7:39:45 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: gitmo

Amazing results!

So many could learn from your example.


68 posted on 09/07/2021 9:05:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: itsahoot
Well no, it isn't "whatever", this is crucial to understand! Obesity causes Type II Diabetes. Not the other way around. The only issue at hand when we get down to it really is losing the fat, losing the weight. And the only way to do that, the only way, is to restrict calorie intake to a level that is lower than the daily requirement. 600 to 800 calories a day will result in rapid weight loss regardless. It is beneficial to restrict carbohydrate, I won't argue against that. But lot of people just want to kind of nibble around the edges of weight loss, if they even bother the attempt, because it takes such committment to make any significant progress. "Keto" is kind of a distraction in that sense.
69 posted on 09/07/2021 9:11:41 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
Obesity causes Type II Diabetes.

Keto can make the visceral fat and the diabetes go away. If I abandon the keto diet it come back. All I need to know. By the way skinny people get diabetes too.

70 posted on 09/07/2021 10:16:13 AM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: itsahoot
"Keto" by itself doesn't make anything go away, the only way to lose weight - excess fat - day to day is to restrict caloric intake below the basal metabolic level plus whatever calories are used for the activity level that day. It isn't really complicated as far as that goes. "Keto" is just a better way to go about it in terms of a workout - a metabolic workout. But it has nothing to do with burning fat per se.


"Skinny people get Diabetes too". Yeah, I suppose it's possible but that ain't the way to bet.
71 posted on 09/08/2021 7:02:48 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
"Keto" by itself doesn't make anything go away

You need to broaden your perspective a little. Sell you current medical claptrap to someone who is buying, not me.

72 posted on 09/09/2021 8:55:53 AM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: itsahoot

LOL!!

Maybe the problem is you? It’s obvious you don’t know how to read very well meaning “reading for content”. That’s OK, you’re in good company it is a huge problem these daya. We all learn at our own pace. I wish you well.


73 posted on 09/11/2021 4:17:37 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
Maybe the problem is you? It’s obvious you don’t know how to read very well meaning “reading for content”.

We disagree is all. I know if I lived by current diabetes management standards my blood sugar and weight would be out of control. If they work for you fine, but they absolutely do not work for me.

I have my own theory of weight gain but I know you disagree with me and quote all kinds of medical opinions to confirm your belief, I just don't accept them. I am not alone in my assessment many other people and many doctors have chosen another path and we believe our experience affirms it. Insulin resistance is now a known fact when we address it things get better. What we don't know is why we become insulin resistant, If we could solve that mystery we would be onto something. Gut bacteria may play a part but little research is happening that would lead to any real breakthroughs. Until they do I will continue on since I am 83 most of it won't/doesn't matter much to me a anyway.

On a complete change of pace, I used Phen Fen 25 or so years ago and can tell you for a fact it worked but only for about a year. I lived as a normal human being, not dieting at all, just eating whatever I wanted so I imagine I felt just like people who have no weight problems and sneer at overweight people because they were somehow mentally inferior to the thin guy. Yeah right.

74 posted on 09/11/2021 6:31:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: ConservativeMind

bkmk


75 posted on 09/14/2021 10:38:50 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Vsetko Umiera! Build the Wall and build it tall, then build a gallows and hang them ALL!)
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To: itsahoot

I’m just pointing out if people restrict their calories, they will lose the excess fat. It doesn’t really matter what form they take get right down to it.

If an adult male for example were to take in say 600 to 800 calories a day, they WILL lose the weight, and fairly quickly. I don’t care what you’re eating. An XL Hershey bar is 600 calories.

Anyway this is not a “theory”. It isn’t easy to lose weight, but it is very, very simple for most people. There are a very few people on the planet with weird metabolic issues, but for the majority obesity is a simple matter of eating too many calories.

This is one of the best explanations of how to use fasting, for weight loss and health gains, for reversing Type II (and many other issues) I’ve found. https://burnfatnotsugar.com/assets/if.pdf


76 posted on 09/15/2021 6:53:51 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: ConservativeMind

I have a genetic DM 2………all the Diets in the world won’t stop my pancreases from failing.

It’s a gene in my case and thousands of others.


77 posted on 09/15/2021 6:59:40 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: Freedom4US
Anyway this is not a “theory”. It isn’t easy to lose weight, but it is very, very simple for most people.

Why do you suppose that is? Maybe they are just mentally superior and can just control their appetite with their superior thought processes, or maybe they just have the right hormones that tell them when the are full and don't need any more food?

78 posted on 09/16/2021 5:55:59 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: itsahoot

Stupid people believe in the idea of losing weight by restricting calories.


79 posted on 09/16/2021 6:08:06 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: itsahoot

Well for most people, at least historically, weight gain (excess fat) isn’t ordinarily really a concern until later in life. North of age 40, say. Then it becomes a huge issue. (Heh) I know that was typical for me, too. For years I could eat whatever I wanted. Then I couldn’t. I didn’t want to accept that I wasn’t 24 or even 34 anymore, and simply couldn’t eat the way I had in the past.

In fact somebody smarter than me pointed out that a guaranteed way to get obese is to do three things:

Eat whatever I want
As much as I want
Whenever I want

Sound familiar? It did to me.

I would say that is EXACTLY how I ballooned out. And he went on to say look at these as “levers”, every day we want to toggle at least 2 of the levers. I like “Intermittent fasting” because it removes the “whenever I want” part out of the equation every single day, and gives the body a metabolic workout.

I do like to eat whatever I want. So the second llever” is to control the amount. Usually. It works for me, ai did manage to lose 60 pounds rapidly and am keeping it off a few years later. I understand the statistics, on people re-gaining weight, are not good.

The “feeling full” is part of the problem for sure generally. The fancy pants word for it is Satiety. I think carbohydrate or glucose is pretty close to being a drug, it gets you “high”. And like a drug addict, soon need another “fix”.

Balanced meals with high quality protein work great to combat this. I like Eggs, cheddar, mixed nuts. I ate a lot of bacon and eggs when actively burning off the poundage. It’s low carb for sure. But I like fresh baked bread slathered in dairy butter, meatloaf and mashed potatoes w/gravy, casseroles and such too much to cut it off completely. But they are more rare now that’s for sure!

Food tastes good, that’s the problem!


80 posted on 09/17/2021 12:46:20 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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