I could post the multiple more of patient lives saved by the vaccination, however it seems that you have an agenda to post as many one offs as you can to prove a cycle.
Please as others have asked, do not ping me to threads that the only goal is emotional appeal which cannot be verified instead of actual discourse.
I am certain your goal is only to stir emotion instead of actually attempting to reach a consensus.
In the ICUs I attend, there is not a single patient in critical condition who is vaccinated. In other words all the critically ill are UNVACCINATED. I am sure I will be met with the same nonsense accusations from those who gravitate here — but it is worth it to get the message out. And since you asked, yes, I care to weigh in...
—VACCINATIONS PREVENT CRITICAL ILLNESS, and in many cases the disease itself
—THE ONLY TREATMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY VALID is MONOCLONAL ANTIBODIES SUCH AS REGENERON
—PLEASE do not waste time with unproven and marginal treatment such as ivermectin — instead if you chose not to vaccinate seek the therapies that work — monoclonals!
—Please get vaccinated to save your life and ignore the conspiracy theories of ADE and viral shedding that do not exist.
—Vaccines SHOULD NOT be mandated. Period.
—IF you have had the disease, there is little reason to be vaccinated — as natural immunity is perfect immunity
—There is only a few instances where children of the age of 12 - 21 should be vaccinated
Thank you for asking me to weigh in.
“ Please as others have asked, do not ping me to threads that the only goal is emotional appeal which cannot be verified instead of actual discourse.
There is a measure of irony here, since you are posting anonymously and the experience you go on to relate cannot be verified.
In regards to you ICUs being filled with the unvaxxed…
I believe you - though I can’t verify obviously.
But around my part of PA it is different. My nurse son in law has shared that their ICU is filled with vaxxed patients.
And so many deaths have occurred after vaxxing, perhaps they have simply died before they made it to your ICU?
You face the worst there… and I imagine it paints a picture based on adverse selection…
In any case I have nothing against people who get vaxxed or people who choose not to vaxx. I’d rather be united as conservatives against the evil behind this plandemic. They want us divided.
As to ivermectin and HCQ, I’ve seen HCQ + zinc + d3 work dramatically within hours.
I agree with many of your other points¿
ADE obviously exists and is obviously a major problem.
With regards to shedding, prove that it is impossible, if you are contending that it is.
I am sorry you continue to be called a liar by denialists and anti-vaxxers. Thanks for continuing to fight the good fight.
As long as tyrants demand that they make our health decisions, I will thank you none too kindly to shut the hell up.
I call BS on “unvaccinated” figures from the US that are the opposite of reports from everywhere else in the world. Claiming to know the vaccination status from people being paid to push the vaccine is despicable.
I am grateful that you did, too. My hubby and I now have our first dose. I am interested in both sides being presented. Again, thank you, and I mean that with all respect.
I think I'm in agreement with all but one: ADE is real, but ADE is misrepresented. Lots of people say ADE makes the vaxxed person more vulnerable. Not so. It merely allows the vaxxed person to serve as a petri dish to create stronger strains.
You can even see that in the term: Antibody Dependent Enhancement. In other words, the Antibodies are the Dependent reason that the virus is Enhanced.
Not necessarily for that person, but for the virus and population at-large.
Many of us are on your side gas. My wife and many of our friends are in the health care industry - nurses, doctors, and hospital administrators.
My entire family is vaccinated except my 10 year old. My 15 and 16 year olds got the shot as soon as they could.
Why? We had to witness 2 extended family members die of Covid before the vax was available.
I have anti-vax friends. I don’t give them any crap. I don’t think it should be mandatory. I just hope they don’t lose any family members. It sucks.
Great idea on paper, but various factions are doing everything in their power to (a) discourage or prevent the taking of antibody tests, and (b) to disallow any antibody test result as a reason to not be vaccinated where required (employment, schools, services).
Again, I appreciate your input. Here's the next logical question to be asked. Are you and your colleagues going to protest the new vaccine mandates by the government in any way meaningful?
I had a private and pleasant exchange with gas dr perhaps mid or end of July. I shared with him why I stayed unvaccinated (great health, rural, etc), and that my wife was vaccinated. She has some asthma and respiratory issues. His response was measured and well taken. His main advice was to get monoclonals ASAP if I ever got it.
A week or two later, our four vaccinated children came as part of two annual get togethers. For one week. Two of my sons had light colds. I Thought nothing of it because they were vaccinated. Let's just say we weren't Covid careful that week; although most of MY interraction with them was outside, playing pickleball, boating, beaching, swimming, etc., it was not so with my wife.
Okay, two days after they left, I began with a tickle in my throat. Next day, I had a light fever, wife had started to feel it in her respiratory system. We ran to get tested. It was mild for me, no issues with my breathing, but was sweating a lot with my light fever, some achiness and loss of get up and go. I also had a urinary tract infection simultaneous (started days prior to having Covid symptoms), which meant I went sleepless for days prior.
So I came back positive. The worst time in the whole sickness was the two minutes after the phone call saying we both had it. Along with the urinary infection. Which preceded and had nothing to do with Covid.
So, we set up appointments to get monoclonal therapy through our son who is a respiratory therapist. We did that less than five days from our first symptoms. Other than my being exhausted from lack of sleep, and some achiness, my symptoms were already getting better when I took the therapy. Which complicates my thinking towards whether or not it helped. I do know the disease never got bad, and continued to get better, as it had been already. My wife (vaccinated), lost her taste and smell (I didn't), had worse symptoms, and they lasted longer. I recovered better, though my doctor daughter kept insisting that couldn't be true. To make matters worse for her, she got a bad cold the day we got monoclonals, then also tested positive for Covid two days later. Her symptoms were worse than mine, even though she was vaccinated.
I shared this experience on another thread. Only one of our vaccinated children didn't get it. But his Eleven year old daughter (unvaccinated) got it from one of the siblings. She had bad symptoms for a few days, but seems fine.
Actually eveyone was fine, no one got really sick. My symptoms were the least of all, but no one had it bad, everyone recovered and it's all fine. No long term issues. None.
This happened as they were coining the term "break-through" cases, and not many had been reported yet.
I was very disappointed to have gotten it from my vaccinated children, Would have never thought that possible, saw they got it in spite of the vaccine. And I had the easiest symptoms of all.
All of which to say, I am thrilled to report I now have natural immunity. I do tell anyone who listens I have an even lower opinion of vaccination now, only because I got it from people who were vaccinated, and even though it's annecdotal, three out of four of them getting it isn't a good number. But there are now lots of reports of this phenomenon, the vaccinated getting it. Also disparate and conflicting reports as to whether the vaccinated have worse symptoms than the unvaccinated.
I have appreciated the exchanges with gas dr. I am appalled at how often he is attacked because of his opinions. Which I have found measured, thoughtful, spirited, and consistent. I disagree with him in some Covid areas, but he deserves a lot of respect for his consistency and earnest attempts to be informed, and to pass information that he has experienced on to all of us at FR. And to do so in spite of the crap he gets.
So i’m wasting time taking all the vitimins and zinc? If I test positive, I shouldn’t immediately include the Ivermectin because you say so? Should I wait until I can hardly breathe and then go to the hospital. Yeah sure, because you say so. Seriously I’ve read tons of Ivermectin testimonials and even know two people who were sick and swear by it. Do you not have any concern that maybe your advice could be harmful? Why not take Ivermectin asap after being diagnosed and waiting to see if you get sick enough to go to hospital?
I’m over 70 and had J&J with no issues. Should I take booster? My MD says yes (Moderna) but I’m scared by all these stories.