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To: SoCal Pubbie
You haven’t even addressed the fact that I have SHOWN that foreign ships DID carry cotton and other crops from Southern ports before, and right up to, secession, yet you ignore that evidence.

Actually I didn't read the evidence. I had to go back and look at that message because the first time I saw it, I couldn't understand what you were saying. Now that i've looked at it more closely, it appears you were saying British ships carried cotton for export.

The tariffs and penalties were on imports. Foreign ships were not allowed to carry cargoes between ports, and so the only cargo that could have been carried for import would have had to go to New Orleans. Now it might have been legal for the ship to stop elsewhere, unload it's cargo, then go to New Orleans with an empty hold and then load up cotton from there and then go to Europe, but i'm not completely sure about that.

What I am certain they could not have done was to stop at one port, say Mobile, load cargo and then proceed to New Orleans and load or unload cargo.

Only American ships could do that, and this rule is still in effect today.

And yes I ignore that evidence, because it doesn't directly address the dispute over the cost of tariffs and the effect of the Navigation act of 1817. There were no tariffs or rules on export cargo, only import cargo.

857 posted on 08/19/2021 2:08:38 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Foreign ships were not allowed to carry cargoes between ports, and so the only cargo that could have been carried for import would have had to go to New Orleans.

Or New York. Or Philadelphia. Or Boston. You know, the places where the demand for imports were.

859 posted on 08/19/2021 2:38:19 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

“The tariffs and penalties were on imports.”

As I have written before, the navigation act of 1817, in regards to imports, was rescinded in 1830. Only coastal shipping remained affected, and it remains so restricted to this day. I have posted, and will post further examples, of IMPORT and EXPORT vessels at harbors OTHER THAN New Orleans.

AND YOU STILL IGNORE THAE FACT THAT THIS DISPROVES YOUR CONTENTION THAT SOUTHERN BUSINESSES WERE FORCED TO USE NORTHERN SHIPS!

To recap:

The reason for secession was the South’s desire to preserve slavery.

The trigger for secession was the election of Abraham Lincoln, which fed fear of the abolitionist foundation of the Republican Party.

The American Civil War began when units of the South Carolina Militia fired upon a Union fort in Charleston harbor.


861 posted on 08/19/2021 2:48:08 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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