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Harper’s Weekly – July 20, 1861
Harper's Weekly archives ^ | July 20, 1861

Posted on 07/20/2021 7:28:50 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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Continued from June 20 (reply #18).

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3967980/posts#18

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William J. Cooper, Jr., Jefferson Davis, American

21 posted on 07/21/2021 4:44:42 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Civil War Papers of George B. McClellan: Selected Correspondence 1860-1865, edited by Stephen W. Spears

22 posted on 07/21/2021 4:45:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued July 17 (reply #35).

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3975717/posts#35

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Douglas Southall Freeman, Lee, an abridgement by Richard Harwell

23 posted on 07/21/2021 4:45:57 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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All for the Union: The Civil War Diary and Letters of Elisha Hunt Rhodes, edited by Robert Hunt Rhodes

24 posted on 07/21/2021 4:46:46 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Company Aytch, or a Side Show of the Big Show: A Memoir of the Civil War, by Sam R. Watkins

25 posted on 07/21/2021 4:47:28 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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William Cullen Bryant to John M. Forbes, August 21, 1861 (Evening Post publisher thinks War Secretary Cameron should be replaced.)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2014/12/william-cullen-bryant-to-john-m-forbes.html

Charles Eliot Norton to James Russell Lowell, July 21, 1861 (Folks in Newport RI are anxious about news from Virginia)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2014/12/charles-eliot-norton-to-james-russell.html

Major Rutherford B. Hayes to Sardis Birchard, July 21, 1861 (Hayes is at Columbus, taking a break from army life.)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2014/07/major-rutherford-b-hayes-to-sardis_26.html

Captain Charles Russell Lowell to Charles Elliott Perkins, July 21, 1861 (Lowell’s recruiting trip continues.)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2014/11/captain-charles-russell-lowell-to.html

John Lothrop Motley to Mary Benjamin Motley, July 21, 1861 (“Perhaps before this letter is posted, two days hence, something definite may have occurred in the neighborhood of Manassas.”)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2015/03/john-lothrop-motley-to-mary-benjamin_29.html

Diary of William Howard Russell: July 21, 1861 (Russell’s lengthy account of the battle.)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2019/12/diary-of-william-howard-russell-july-21.html

Diary of John Beauchamp Jones: July 21, 1861 (“The President left the city this morning for Manassas, and we look for a battle immediately.”)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2015/04/diary-of-john-beauchamp-jones-july-21.html

Diary of Judith W. McGuire: Sunday, July 21, 1861 (“Perhaps there was no one present [at church] who had not some near relative at Manassas, and the impression was universal that they were then fighting.”)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2014/12/diary-of-judith-w-mcguire-sunday-july.html

Charlotte Cross Wigfall to Louise Wigfall, July 21, 1861 (“No news except that Gen. Johnston has joined Beauregard with a large force. A part of his troops are left still at Winchester, but the greater part are with him.”)

https://civilwarnotebook.blogspot.com/2015/07/charlotte-cross-wigfall-to-louise_18.html


26 posted on 07/21/2021 4:48:56 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

This morning’s first posts:

“Team of Rivals,” reply #18
“Lincoln,” #19
John G. Nicolay, #20
“Jefferson Davis, American,” #21
George B. McClellan, #22
“Lee,” #23
Elisha Hunt Rhodes, #24
Sam Watkins, #25
Links to 9 items at Civil War Notebook, #26


27 posted on 07/21/2021 4:53:29 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Apparently only 18,000 were actually engaged on each side.
All the rest never made it to the battle, most notably Union Gen. Patterson's 18,000 which could have turned the battle.

So...
If we count everybody within the battle's general vicinity, then:


28 posted on 07/21/2021 4:53:35 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Here again is the listing of engagements to date, now 24 resulting in over 4,000 total casualties:

DateEngagementMilitary UnitsLossesVictor
April 12-14Fort Sumter, SCConfederate artillery (Beauregard), Union garrison (Anderson)NoneCSA
April 15Evacuation of Fort Sumter, SCUnion garrisonTwo Union soldiers killed, four wounded by accidental explosionN.A.
April 19Baltimore Riots, MDMA 6th, PA 26th vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 12 civilians killed, hundreds woundedUSA
May 10St. Louis Riots, MOUnion forces vs secessionist crowd4 Union soldiers killed, 3 prisoners, 28 civilians killedUSA
May 18-19Sewell's Point, VAUnion naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery10 totalinconclusive
May 29- June 1Aquila Creek, VAUnion naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery10 totalinconclusive
June 1Fairfax Court House, VAdetachments from CSA & USA armies8 on each side, 1 each killedinconclusive
June 3Philippi, WVAUnion Dept of Ohio (McClellan) -3,000, CSA infantry (Porterfield) -800Union 4, CSA 26 (killed or wounded)USA
June 10Big Bethel, VAUnion (Butler) -3,500, CSA (Magruder) -1,400Union 18-killed 53-wounded, CSA: 1-K 9-WCSA
June 15Hooe's Ferry (near Mathias Point) VAUnion schooner Christina Keen; CSA Farmer's Fork Graysnone -- Christina Keen captured and burnedCSA
June 17Vienna, VADetachments from both Union & CSA armiesUnion: 8 killed, 4 wounded; CSA: none reportedCSA
June 17Boonville, MOUnion Western Dept (Lyon) -1,700 vs. MO State Guard (Marmaduke) ~1,500Union: 5-killed, 7-wounded, MO Guard 5-k 17-wUSA
June 18Camp Cole, MOUnion Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate State Guards (~350)Union: 35 killed, 60 wounded 25 captured CSA: 7-K, 25-WCSA
June 27Matthias' Point, VAUnion gunboats ~50 vs. Confed garrison ~500Union: 1-killed, 4-wounded; CSA noneCSA
July 2Hoke's Run, WVAUnion Army of the Shenandoah (2 brigades, Patterson) -8,000 vs. Confederate Army of the Shenandoah (1 brigade, Stonewall Jackson) - 4,000 Union: 3-killed, 70-total; CSA 9-killed, 23-totalUSA
July 5Carthage, MOUnion Department of the West (Sigel) -- 1,000 vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (Jackson) -- 4,000Union: 44-total; CSA 200-totalCSA
July 5Neosho, MOUnion 3rd Missouri vs. Confederate cavalryUnion: 137-total; CSA zero totalCSA
July 8Laurel Hill, WVAUnion Dept of Ohio vs. Confederate Army of the NorthwestUnion: 8-total; CSA unknownUSA
July 11Rich Mountain, WVAUnion Department of the Ohio (McClellan & Rosecrans) -7,000 vs. Confederate Army (Pegram & Garnett) -1,300Union: 46-total; CSA 300-totalUSA
July 12Barboursville, WVAUnion 2nd Kentucky vs. Confederate rangers & localsUnion: 16-total; CSA 1-totalUSA
July 13Corrick's Ford, WVAUnion Department of the Ohio (McClellan & Rosecrans) -20,000 vs. Confederate Army (Garnett) -4,500Union: 53-total; CSA 620-total CSA Gen. Garnett killedUSA
July 17Scary Creek, WVAUnion Department of the Ohio (Cox) -1,000 vs. Confederate Army of the Kanawha (Wise & George S. Patton) -800Union: 51-total; CSA 10-total including Patton woundedCSA
July 18Blackburn's Ford, VA (pre-Manassas)Union Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Richardson) -3,000 vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -5,100Union: 83-total; CSA 70-total CSA
July 21Bull Run/Manassas, VAUnion Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Patterson) -54,000 (18,000 engaged) vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -34,000 (18,000 engaged)Union: 2,708-total (481 killed); CSA 1,897-total (387 killed) CSA

29 posted on 07/21/2021 4:58:21 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

I was always curious as to why the Union forces did not include having Patterson attack.

His inaction allowed Johnston to slip his forces away without penalty.

But then the Union was ‘blessed’ with inactive General’s early on.


30 posted on 07/21/2021 5:17:25 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Here is the battlefield as of the morning of July 21:


31 posted on 07/21/2021 5:28:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Continued from July 16 (reply #26).

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3975717/posts#26

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Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury

Continued from July 20 (reply #5)

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James Lee McDonough, William Tecumseh Sherman: In the Service of My Country, A Life

32 posted on 07/21/2021 6:01:49 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Echoes of Glory: Illustrated Atlas of the Civil War By the Editors of Time-Life Books

33 posted on 07/21/2021 7:59:57 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; DiogenesLamp; jeffersondem; x
W.T. Sherman described an incident before the battle: Seems like slavery was on the mind of that Confederate cavalryman that day.
Of course, nobody'd yet told that Confederate cavalryman that it wasn't politically correct to call Yankee's "d___d abolitionists" -- it took a few years for everybody to get that memo.
34 posted on 07/21/2021 8:02:33 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Abolitionists of the 19th century supported terrorism and many were themselves in fact terrorists. Abolitionists were hated in the North too. That’s why it was such an insult to be called one. The only worse thing was to be called a “Tory”.


35 posted on 07/21/2021 8:10:34 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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The West Point Atlas of War: The Civil War, Chief Editor-Brigadier General Vincent J. Esposito

36 posted on 07/21/2021 8:28:40 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from 9 a.m. (reply #32)

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Bruce Catton, The Coming Fury

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James Lee McDonough, William Tecumseh Sherman: In the Service of My Country, A Life

37 posted on 07/21/2021 8:58:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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central_va: "Abolitionists of the 19th century supported terrorism and many were themselves in fact terrorists."

So, you & I would consider "terrorist" to be the bigger insult, and yet, interestingly, that's not what the Confederate cavalryman threw at W.T. Sherman's skirmishers.
The word in July 1861 he considered more insulting, or just more truthful, was "abolitionists".

Perhaps "terrorist" would be added later?

38 posted on 07/21/2021 9:04:17 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Seems you’ve missed a few articles in the Harper’s and the NYT. Wherein these issues are discussed.

Don’t make so much out of one glib comment yelled out in the rage of battle.

In this case, maybe it’s because it seemed so many Yankees cried on about slavery as BLM does today, so in a defiant, mocking cursing manner that’s what he called them.


39 posted on 07/21/2021 9:36:31 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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To: BroJoeK

I doubt “terrorist” was in the vocabulary.


40 posted on 07/21/2021 9:37:20 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs. I )
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