Posted on 07/17/2021 12:18:38 PM PDT by Leaning Right
It depends on why you are really here. When the democrat get done having their way then no one will even have car.
Since when was GM even the top?
In a related story....
We considered Jeep when we were looking for an SUV recently but the quality is still pi$$ poor. And the quality has not changed over the decades that we have been in the market for a new car off and on.
It is truly sad and I am frustrated. However, I am not a fool — American car companies. wave the flag with their right hand while they are picking your pocket with the left.
Sorry, I want to “buy American” but the Big Three continue to rip their customers off.
“But my goodness, every thread doesn’t have to be political.”
BLASPHEMY...HERETIC!
*** GM was stolen from the bondholders when they went bankrupt. When you buy a car from GM, you are effectively buying a stolen car. ***
Correct me if I’m wrong, but here’s how I remember it in straight forward terms:
GM filed for bankruptcy;
Obama fired the CEO and put his own CEO in place;
Obama ordered that the stockholders get only 25 cents on the dollar for their investments - take it or leave with only a few days to decide;
Obama gave the UAW over 50% control of GM;
giant GM emerged from bankruptcy in only one week.
“I think the quality of their paint has gone downhill.”
It’s not just Toyota, everyone else has paint issues. Mandatory paint formulation changes brought to you by your government.
I don’t recall the precise details but the stockholders should have gotten nothing since there was not enough value to pay off the bondholders. The bond holders should have gotten whatever was left and control of the company. The UAW should have gotten nothing.
Instead the UAW and shareholders received less than they should, and the bondholders much less than they should have. Obama put pressure on the bondholders to accept his terms.
It was totally against contract law and people should have refused to buy any corporate bonds.
I had a Corolla with 296K, had to get rid of it due to corrosion. Got a 09 Prius in part due to the communist/Borg takeover, I knew gas was going to increase significantly.
I really like it and would get another one.
Toyota makes a superior product. GM stopped giving a crap about their customers 40 years ago.
Toyota has “gone Woke” and refuses to make any further political donations to any candidate who questions whether the election was rigged.
So they can pound sand.
BINGO
On principle, I refuse to buy a vehicle from any automaker that took bailout money from the TAXPAYERS back in 2009.
I'll never buy another GM or Jeep product, period. My last Grand Cherokee was my LAST grand Cherokee and my 2003 GMC Envoy Denali was my LAST GM product.
I'm a Ford F-150 guy now.
So should've Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram. Instead, they were illegally seized and sold to Fiat to become Fiat/Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram and now Stellantis.
No way I'm ever going to drive a Stellantis Grand Cherokee. My last GC was my LAST GC. Thank God Ford didn't take bailout money because my 2019 F-150 3.5L Twin-Turbo is one hell of a vehicle.
As I understand it, it was a combination of the paint formulation changes and issues with paint adhesion on aluminum surfaces.
My 2013 Grand Cherokee had an aluminum hood. Anyone who works in a body shop can rattle off the vehicles and parts of them that have paint adhesion issues on the aluminum surfaces. Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ram seem to be leading that list from what he told me. Honda, Toyota, GM and finally Ford round out that list. Mostly hood surfaces, Honda also has issues with the top and trunk lids on their vehicles.
My Prius is corroding a bit, too.
Aluminum is very difficult to coat with anything due to the fact that it corrodes very quickly. Aluminum oxide forms on the surface once you clean it off.
Good point. I agree.
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