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Why Intel x86 will DIE sooner than you think! (RIP 1978-2022)
YouTube ^ | July 3, 2021 | Max Tech

Posted on 07/03/2021 11:45:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

We just had some Major Announcements about ARM Development that changes Intels X86 future! Here's what we found out! (spoiler alert -- they have met the enemy and it is them)

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: 7nm; amd; apple; arm; bigtech; chipshortage; codetroll; horsecreek; intel; maxtech; mi; microsoft; nuvia; nvidia; p550; qualcomm; risc; riscv; samsung; sifive; soc; technology; tsmc; x86
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To: Signalman

Gpus left x86, sparc, aarch64, riscv in the dust for compute long ago. What is this unicorn compute task that can only execute on a cpu core, and fastest in x86? Or do you mean x86 systems still hit hardest, when running high end gpus? That’s a system space, power and packaging problem, pcs are just built big, with standard busses. You could make aarch64 systems like that, but not cost effective since pcs already exist.

The main problem with x86 is the cisc to rops conversion. In power efficient designs, it is a huge weight to tote around that arm does not require.

Future heavy computing will center on gpus. Already, most people don’t realize how much raw processing power is available in a rtx2080.

The truth is that for most of the things that are still interesting to do on Cpu can be done on a aarch64 core. Heavy compute is handled much more effectively on a gpu.


21 posted on 07/03/2021 1:52:54 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: FreedomPoster

I have a Bluetooth OBDII device. Can talk to it with my iPhone.


22 posted on 07/03/2021 1:58:13 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: 386wt

From a purely, scientific and mathematic point of view the 68XXX is a far better system than the Hardware Segmentation forced by the x86.
You are correct marketing won. The better design did not.
ARM will beat them all into the dirt.
Linear memory bigot? All I did was select the best designs for the customer’s requirements at the cheapest price.
Had the market not collapsed I’d have done most things in “Bit slice”. and got exactly what I wanted.


23 posted on 07/03/2021 2:27:31 PM PDT by rellic
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To: AFreeBird

A buddy has one of those, it’s pretty good, albeit slightly generic. For my cars, there is specialty cable based stuff that is better.


24 posted on 07/03/2021 2:36:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SunkenCiv

There was never any question that hardware platform compatibility between mobile devices and server / workstation systems was coming.

Anyone who gets in the way of that train is getting run over.


25 posted on 07/03/2021 3:17:19 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: rbg81

ARM systems will likely have x86 emulation for those legacy systems.


26 posted on 07/03/2021 3:18:34 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: SuperLuminal

This can emulate processors in a virtual machine:
https://www.qemu.org/


27 posted on 07/03/2021 3:21:46 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: ConservativeMind

Old school Mac architecture was a dumpster fire that had serious issues with getting drivers right.

Don’t kid yourself. The Windows / Intel x86 combination won for a host of reasons.

But things change. Intel had better compete with ARM or they’re gonna get steamrolled by it.


28 posted on 07/03/2021 3:21:54 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: Signalman

For the moment.


29 posted on 07/03/2021 3:24:52 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: Signalman

“ For gaming/simming, CISC chips are faster than RISC chips.”

Well, there is some authentic “fake news”!


30 posted on 07/03/2021 3:28:45 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: Aqua225

I suspect the reason we just don’t use repurposed gpus as opposed to current cpus is because most software can’t take advantage of it.

Most software is still written for one to four cores at most. Parallel processing to the tune of hundreds of threads is something the industry just isn’t doing, and isn’t practical for most workloads anyway.


31 posted on 07/03/2021 3:29:02 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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To: JamesP81

I generally agree, you only need so many threads to handle the GUI, and most any non-compute transform, and simple control logic.

Maybe AI’s running on GPUs can break down serial processor problems into parallel compute problems in the future.

Humans are getting better at parallel execution software design and development, but many strides have been made by simply building better tools.

Perhaps AI will be the ultimate programmer in the end.

But for a laptop or a desktop -— a standardized ARM system with PCIE slots and a standard BootROM would go a long way into bringing ARM to developers.

Mac is close to that, but not really. I generally like Macs but other than owning some old obsolete ones that will go to a bone yard in the near future for recycling, i don’t run any. I don’t like the fact Apple abandons you after a decade. There are ways to keep your customers going until their HW dies, without dropping support their stuff.


32 posted on 07/03/2021 4:44:17 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bkmk


33 posted on 07/03/2021 4:55:23 PM PDT by sauropod (The smartphone is the retina of the mind's eye.)
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To: rellic

I noticed you did not post that the 68XXX died in 1994.

I was visiting IBM’s Entry Systems design team at Boca Raton in the early 80s. They wanted the PC engine to be the 68XXX. But couldn’t get the delivery amount they were forecasting (250,000 first year)from Motorola.

The Intel salesman had told them they could get that kind of delivery immediately. Thus when they went with the x86 (8088 32 bit computer with 8 bit external bus). The 8 bit bus was designed by Intel to match the costs of interfacing external memory and I/O devices.

That forecast turned in to millions of chips in later years.

Marketing includes availability, you know.

Disclaimer: I made a 30 year career out of assisting customers with x86 designs until I retired in 2004.


34 posted on 07/03/2021 5:00:27 PM PDT by 386wt
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To: rellic; JamesP81

There are a lot of embedded applications that are written in assembler. For real time apps, compiler generated code can have too much overhead & lacks efficiency.

If there is a emulator mode with ARM, that may help. Still expect to see x8086s around till I croak.


35 posted on 07/03/2021 5:45:23 PM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: ShadowAce; dayglored; Swordmaker; martin_fierro
Windows 11 has steeper hardware requirements than many of the earlier versions of Windows. What implications might this have for global security if many perfectly functional PCs will be unable to update to the newest and most secure version of Microsoft's operating system?
Windows 11 & Abandoned Hardware Implications? | July 5, 2021 | Lon.TV
Windows 11 & Abandoned Hardware Implications? | July 5, 2021 | Lon.TV
A puzzle -- W11 on a Pi? Saw a bunch of vids on that. W11 ARM I guess? Anyway...
Windows 11 For Not-New Computers: TPM Compatibility Guide | June 25, 2021 | ThioJoe
Windows 11 For Not-New Computers: TPM Compatibility Guide | June 25, 2021 | ThioJoe

36 posted on 07/05/2021 6:37:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Compatibility list:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-compatibility-Realme-Book-joins-long-list-of-Dell-HP-Lenovo-Acer-and-Asus-laptops-that-will-support-Microsoft-s-upcoming-OS.548134.0.html

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11#pchealthcheck

Pi/ARM/AMD:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-announces-Windows-11-supported-AMD-and-Intel-processors-leaving-over-a-dozen-Surface-devices-as-a-casualties.547399.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-No-Trusted-Platform-Module-Many-AMD-and-Intel-processors-can-run-Microsoft-s-new-OS-without-a-dedicated-TPM-2-0-chip.548267.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-can-even-run-natively-on-a-Raspberry-Pi-4.548695.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-Microsoft-s-Director-of-OS-Security-explains-the-tough-CPU-requirements-for-Win-11.548765.0.html


37 posted on 07/05/2021 6:53:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

https://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/PC-Health-Check.shtml


38 posted on 07/05/2021 6:56:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: sauropod; JamesP81; Colo9250; redcatcherb412; Governor Dinwiddie; Signalman; bunkerhill7; ...

I use their crap every day and am used to it, but I also use two, oops, three other OS platforms. I need to get out in this fine summer weather tomorrow. :^) Anyway, I’m rooting for Microsoft to the extent that they aren’t Chinese. Yet, anyway.

https://www.google.com/search?q=reactOS&tbm=vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6d7E1uKSmg

https://reactos.org/

and

Gaming on W11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odZSCdNTFPw


39 posted on 07/05/2021 7:08:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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And, the real reason is to 'encourage' migration to a subscription style OS for the half-billion or so users of older hardware. For MSFT's sake I hope it works better than their Windows 10S scheme.
Ordinarily I don't enjoy Linus Tech Tips, and not just because of his sponsor breaks and merch pitching, but this one is both informative and entertaining, and I set up the link to skip the allegedly humorous intro and first ad:
Windows 11 has generated a lot of buzz, but not all of it has been positive. Many people think they’ll be left behind, but is that really true?
DON’T buy a new PC for Windows 11! | July 12, 2021 | Linus Tech Tip
DON’T buy a new PC for Windows 11! | July 12, 2021 | Linus Tech Tip
Apropos of nothing...
Linux Mint 20 review and demo, including specifications, new interface settings, Warpinator, a comparison of the Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce editions, and the Chromium/snap issue.
Linux Mint 20: My Top Linux Distro | July 19, 2020 | ExplainingComputers
Linux Mint 20: My Top Linux Distro | July 19, 2020 | ExplainingComputers
Great rant!
What most annoys you most in the world of computing? Here is a rant about my own current top five. :)
5 Most Annoying Computing Things! | June 20, 2021 | ExplainingComputers
5 Most Annoying Computing Things! | June 20, 2021 | ExplainingComputers

40 posted on 07/23/2021 8:47:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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