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To: Tax-chick

Church.

Fiasco.

Later.


2,145 posted on 08/29/2021 12:35:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (~~ Truth exists beyond belief. It is truth even if no one believes it. ~~ Deiter F Uchtdorf ~~)
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To: Monkey Face

Oy. I’ll say a prayer!

Gotta call the other novio now. I hope he speaks some English!


2,146 posted on 08/29/2021 1:13:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Nature, art, silence, simplicity, peace.)
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To: Monkey Face

Your tag line made me think.

ALOT.


Truth exists beyond belief. It is truth even if no one believes it.
~~ Deiter F. Uchtdorf

Certainly there is Truth beyond what any man believes, and it remains Truth even so, and that is Herr. Uchtdorf’s point.

But it may not be likewise true that there is Truth beyond all belief, for the extent of belief seems to include God, Himself, and He — as The Author of Truth — would be One to believes all that is True; there being no True thing to which He does not give assent.

But here we enter very deep water, for we stand at the brink of this question:
“Does God believe? CAN He, in fact, believe?”

Does He believe, or is everything KNOWING to Him?

Asked differently, must not the one who would believe also be capable of not believing? Isn’t the overcoming of doubt inherent in what we call belief?

But God has no capacity for doubt; He simply knows without question whether any given thing is true or not.

It seems odd to state it, but in the presence of Divine certainty, with all doubt obviated, belief would seem also to be obviated. There would, then, be nothing God believes; He would simply know everything. And this seems consistent with Biblical commentary touching on the point.

Circling all the way back to the beginning, then.

The idea that the extents of belief include God may be false.

If God is not included in the ranks of those capable of belief, then belief does have limits, and True things God knows do, in fact, exist and are True beyond the limits of belief.

Truth exists beyond belief. It is truth even if no one believes it; if only God knows.



Having stated that much. Do we — CAN we — KNOW anything? Do we fallible beings have the capacity to KNOW, or does our capacity for doubt limit us to levels of increasing belief?
In contrast to the absolute surety of God’s KNOWING, dare we say of anything, “I know”?

Another time, perhaps...


2,147 posted on 08/29/2021 4:26:06 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Don't be hasty.)
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