Posted on 05/20/2021 8:17:09 PM PDT by Tipllub
12 fully vaccinated people died of COVID in L.A. County, showing shots work ‘extraordinarily well,’ health officials say
With millions of people in Los Angeles County now fully vaccinated against COVID-19, public health officials said Thursday that evidence is becoming clearer that the shots provide exceptional protection against sickness and death from the virus.
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My mom always was very careful in what she did. When she heard that cigarettes were dangerous, she quit smoking. When she heard that drinking was not good for her, she cut down her drinking. She learned, after bearing 8 children how to be careful. Our car was the first to get seat belts. She knew how to protect herself from the COVID virus. She is still living at 96 and is experiencing joys that make her cry with happiness.
Thank you for linking what you were talking about. Let’s review:
“The jabs don’t stimulate your immune system one bit.”
At no point does anything in your link or any of the links therein say this. Numerous carefully controlled studies going all the way back to March 2020 demonstrate that the S protein is an antigen which stimulates lymphocytes, dendritic cells, macrophages, etc. Just as the S protein of the original SARS 2003 virus did. Just as the S protein of the MERS 2012 virus did. The other primary antigen yielding strong immune system reaction is the nucleocapsid protein or N protein.
“They tell your cells to create spike proteins, which is the virus protein. Then your body is supposed to defeat these proteins (the so called immune response)”
Mostly accurate here. The S protein is one of several viral proteins, including the M protein and the N protein.
“The problem is the spike protein by itself does a lot of damage to the human body.”
This is where we get to your link. Let’s start with one of the first lines in your link:
“Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.”
Second, let’s look at a line toward the end of the study linked in your link:
“This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury.”
So your link says the vaccines are safe and the study they link to says the vaccines do even more to protect not only against the virus itself, but the S protein the study is concerned with. Your own link says vaccination is safe and effective.
“How to you weasel outta that study Amigo?”
I was going to ask you the same thing.
Here’s the real rub: you’re going to tell me that the SARS-CoV-2 virus isn’t a problem and that nearly everyone survives it. But that virus contains not only S proteins, but also self-amplifying RNA which leads to Billions of copies of that virus (and all its spike proteins) replicating all over your body. In the next breath, you claim the spike protein is hugely dangerous and any contact with it is a serious risk. But you can’t have it both ways: either the virus is no big deal (and so are its S proteins), or the S proteins are a problem. And if the S proteins are a problem, I have to ask: would you rather have a short-lived (~3 days) vaccine making a few million copies of just the S protein, or uncontrolled viral replicating making tens of billions of S proteins?
Indeed, and this is seen with everything. It’s the entire reason we see some most people surviving COVID-19 with mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, while 0.65 - 1% of people die from it: differences in the immune system. Even with vaccination, nothing is ever certain. But we don’t need a perfect vaccine to achieve a perfect result. The smallpox vaccine is 95% effective. That imperfect vaccine wiped smallpox off the face of the Earth. The last case documented was in 1978. The vaccine was so effective, we don’t even vaccinate against it anymore.
Over 160 million Americans have had a COVID-19 vaccine. If the vaccine is supposed to kill them, it's doing an absolutely atrocious job doing that. Even if it only killed 1%, that would be 1.6 million dead. The first people got vaccinated back on March 16, 2020. So it's had plenty of time to work. Why aren't they dead?
"The CDC and FDA went from stating there are no approved vaccines for Covid 19 to there are approved under EUA vaccines for Covid."
That's like complaining that there were no DVD players in 1965 and then suddenly everyone had a DVD player in 2003. Yeah... things change. The vaccines had to go through Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials to earn those EUAs. Pfizer has now filed for full FDA approval. Moderna is filing for full FDA approval next week. They'll both be approved by the end of this summer or early fall under the Priority Review program. And Emergency Use Authorizations are not new. Dozens of new medicines get an EUA every single year. EUA is just one of four accelerated paths to the US market made available by the FDA. They're routinely used, given the appropriate situation.
Who decided it was appropriate to allow EUA for the COVID-19 vaccines? Why that would be President Donald J Trump.
"You are getting the instructions to write to your DNA"
No, you aren't. That isn't how mRNA works. mRNA is the instructions sent FROM the nucleus of the cell TO your cell's ribosomes in the cytoplasm to make proteins. The mRNA has no transport method into the cell nucleus. It has no method to unwind DNA. It has no method to cut DNA. It has no method to perform inserts. It has no method to perform repair.
The mRNA from the two mRNA based vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) have a lipid shell that carries the mRNA to the cellular cytoplasm where it encounters a ribosome and gets used to build the S protein. There's absolutely nothing about that process involving DNA.
"the spike protein (which causes all the damage)."
Well then it's a good thing we're getting vaccinated so we have antibodies that disable the S protein. Otherwise, we might get a SARS-CoV-2 infection wherein uncontrolled viral replication is producing tens of billions of spike proteins all over the body. If spike proteins are bad, that sounds terrible.
Here’s another interesting bit that I actually didn’t know about:
“In the Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech, J&J, and Novavax vaccines, the Spike protein has some proline mutations introduced to try to hold it in its “prefusion” conformation, rather than the shape it adopts when it binds to ACE2. So that should cut down even more on the ability of the Spike protein produced by these vaccines to bind and produce the effects noted in the recent papers.”
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/spike-protein-behavior
You like others, including me, will not let government become a police state over the vaccine, and other measures necessary to combat the C-virus. We will push for more innovative measures; including therapies and early infection detection measures. I think early infection detection technology would be the key. It may be as simple as dogs trained to sniff out an infected person. Or it would be a device that works like a alcohol breathalyzer that would be located in convenient kiosks where people shop. We had people being killed in cars and it was technology that lowered the car accident death rates. Technology will destroy this virus because humans are smarter than the biology of COVID-19.
The disease has a 0.65% - 1% Infection Fatality Rate, meaning it has a 99% - 99.35% survival rate. Not 99.99%. If only 0.01% of people died from it, we’d see no more than 33,000 total deaths, start to finish. We have over 600,000.
Do you have the link to that study so I can read it too?
As for the spike protein doing damage in the body, that is what your immune system does to any foreign proteins that get loose in the body. Your digestive system is continuously bringing in all kinds of substances into the body. The job of the innate immune system is to fight harmful substances and germs that enter the body, for instance through the skin or digestive system.
The lipid nanoparticle that encloses the mRNA vaccine is specially designed to fuse onto a cell wall membrane of cells that have MHC molecules that play an important role in the presentation of foreign antigens, which is a critical step in the activation of T cells and thus an important mechanism of the adaptive immune system.
The process goes as follows: The lipid nanoparticle fuse on the cell wall where it releases the RNA Messenger into the cell, where the host cell’s ribosomes read the RNA instruction and translates it into the protein that is the exact copy of the C-viruis Spike Protein. These proteins are then presented on the surface of the host cell's membrane where they bind to the MHC-1 and MHC-2 complex molecules. Once in contact with these MHC molecules there is generated an interaction between these foreign proteins with the T helper cells. This interaction triggers the T helper cells to produce cytokines (interlukens) and memory cells. The interlukens attracts B-cells that produce plasma cells which act to produce antibodies that will bind on the C-virus's Spike protein, whenever present, neutralize it and destroy it. It is not known how long these specially programmed antibodies stay in the body. The memory cells will produce T-cells that are programmed to produce antibodies that will also attack any future C-virus’s Spike Proteins present in the body.
Proteins on the host MHC-2 complex molecule attract cytoxic T-cells that release destructive molecules which destroys the host cell, thus ending the translation of more Spike Proteins. Since there are billions of cells in the body, a few sacrificial host cells will not make a difference.
I see the vaccine like I see a oil filter. Oil laden with oxidated metal flow through the filter and not all of it is caught by the filter. However, as the oil circulates through the system, it continuously enters the filter over and over. Each time the oil is cleansed of more impurities. In the case of the virus, it goes through the human immune system. Those who have their immune system enhanced with immunity (from infection or vaccine) will “filter” out the virus. Those without immunity will allow the virus out into the system to be caught, perhaps, by those with immunity. This cycle will eventually cleanse the population of the virus.
Good analysis!
The flaw with that is seen in how infections worked prior to mass vaccination. Smallpox - for example - existed for roughly 3,500 years. It killed over 500 million human beings in its last 100 years of existence alone.
About a decade into a worldwide mass vaccination program and smallpox was almost completely eliminated. Smallpox has since been wiped off the face of the Earth. The last recorded case was in 1978. After 3,500 years of circling the globe, slaughtering hundreds of millions of people, it was completely eradicated in basically the blink of an eye thanks to mass vaccination. It was never going away on its own. It just found new hosts to infect.
Exactly. Vaccines can do what Mother Nature (the innate immune system) can’t. We now have vaccine technology that is even better. We can now quickly adapt them to any mutant variant that can sneak through the protection of the present vaccine.
You are admitting the Covid death numbers are all fake, too.
1.5 years in, and the only person I can name who died of Covid was a fat tub of goo that had a quintuple bypass where he died on the table 15 years earlier and he died of covid.
People were LEFT TO DIE in nursing homes & Hospice, but they were all counted.
I’m not an anti Vaxxer, but this pandemic is a complete scam.
SeekAndFind wrote: “If by extraordinarily well, they mean they’re so good that they still get people infected and dead, then he’s probably right.”
From the article: “Data on “breakthrough cases,” or people who test positive for coronavirus despite being vaccinated, shows that only 0.00036% of fully vaccinated people went on to die from the virus, Barbara Ferrer, the county’s public health director, said in a news briefing.”
That’s 12 out of 3.3 Million.
Question, why does Fauci’s Moderna vaccine contain SM-102?
A google search of SM-102 didn’t return any hits.
What is SM-102?
1)There is a 99.96% chance you will survive Covid.
2) The jab is not approved by the FDA.
3) The jab is a new treatment and not properly tested.
4) You can still get Covid after the jab.
5) CDC is another corrupt and incompetent government organization.
6) VP Hyena Harris said she wouldn’t trust a vaccine from Donald Trump ;)
Sounds like what some of the VP/vax trolls are saying, to justify these shots. 🙃
It’s Polyethylene glycol.
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