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To: ArizonaStateLine

Sorry dude, no dice...leave the Electoral College the way the Founding Fathers designed it.


2 posted on 04/25/2021 11:06:04 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Night Hides Not

Sorry dude, no dice...leave the Electoral College the way the Founding Fathers designed it.


The Founding Fathers left it up to state legislatures to choose the method of selecting electors to the electoral college.

They did not necessarily want states to award electoral votes on a winner take all basis, as 48 of the 50 states currently do.

States didn’t always chose electors by the voters in their states early in our history.


15 posted on 04/25/2021 11:23:19 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Night Hides Not
The Founding Fathers didn’t specify how the Electoral Votes would be counted. That was left up to the state legislatures. All the Founders did was establish a process for allocating them among the states.

I believe 7 of the original 13 states didn’t even have a popular vote for President in the first couple of elections. Their state legislatures voted on their electors for the Electoral College.

23 posted on 04/25/2021 11:43:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And once in a night I dreamed you were there; I canceled my flight from going nowhere.")
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To: Night Hides Not

Agreed!! The founders were divinely inspired and a lot smarter than most of the people in Congress today.


29 posted on 04/25/2021 12:38:11 PM PDT by excalibur21
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To: Night Hides Not; All
"Sorry dude, no dice...leave the Electoral College the way the Founding Fathers designed it [??? emphasis added]."

Thank you for posting Night Hides Not.

In order for the post-17th Amendment ratification federal government to steal state powers, Electoral College-related constitutional clauses have been greatly compromised for the last 100+ years imo.

Take state “winner take all” laws for electoral votes for example. The major constitutional problem with such laws is that the states surrendered their power make such laws when the Constitution was ratified, also when they ratified the 12th Amendment (12A).

Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added];--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; […]"

In fact, state “winner take all” laws effectively nullify the Houses's power to elect a president from the top three electoral vote winners in case no candidate wins at least a simple majority of electoral votes.

” […] and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President [emphasis added], the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.

I wouldn’t be surprised if corrupt federal lawmakers voted against Trump on January 6, 2021 so that patriot voters wouldn’t take a closer look at 12A on this issue.

Probably most federal lawmakers, some state officials too, should lose their jobs under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment for their open rebellion against the Constitution on January 6 imo.

"14th Amendment, Section 3: No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same [emphasis added], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

Insights welcome.

Regarding unconstitutional federal government overreach, patriots need to work with federal and state lawmakers to require judges and law enforcement officials to do the following when someone is accused of violating a federal law.

Judges and law-enforcement officials need to inform the accused of the constitutional clause(s) that arguably justifies the allegedly broken law for further scrutiny of the constitutionality of that law, especially where unconstitutional federal peacetime gun control laws are concerned imo.

31 posted on 04/25/2021 12:49:37 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Night Hides Not

by the way, the electoral college is determined by the state legislatures. It has nothing to do with the Constitution. The founding fathers did say this explicitly: each state has complete control over the way votes are handled. Separation of powers.


36 posted on 04/25/2021 1:40:37 PM PDT by ArizonaStateLine
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To: Night Hides Not

The Founders did not specify how the electors were to be allocated. They specifically left that to the legislatures. All they did was specify that each state shall have a number of electors equal to the number of its senators and House members.

They did not design winner-take-all, and the district system (as the method Maine and Nebraska use is called) could be an effective way to defeat the effect of the Democrats’ push for (unconstitutional) DC statehood.


39 posted on 04/25/2021 3:24:55 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters. )
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