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To: Spunky
Freepers. They are Oh! He/She is so great etc; until he/she does something they don’t like.

Jan 6 was the last straw with Pence, not the first; and it was fatal.

For example: Pence was responsible for Flynn's firing, his office was a source of leaks throughout their four years in office. He fought the President and refused to fire or even keep Fauci off the talk shows. Pence was so ineffective heading the COVID response, one has to wonder if he was actually trying to be. --- POTUS had to take over the calls with the governors and the coordination with the private sector for PPE/ventilator manufacturing and with the military for their distribution. No one really knows what the hell Pence accomplished as the head of the COVID task force.

And then came Jan 6 --- Pence had already thrown away the lifeline Cruz gave him by not supporting a two week delay for a fair and thorough audit in the states in question; Pence had thrown away the letters sent to him from state legislatures outlining the fraud and requesting a delay in certification in their states, and during the Congressional session on Jan 6 he threw away the pleas from Republican representatives and senators NOT to end the challenges to certification for six states.

Pence threw away not only the President but also the 75+ million who voted for him -- not once, but three times.

Jan 20 arrived and Pence made it extra clear where his loyalties have really always been. As the President, his boss, was engaged in a short farewell ceremony, Pence was arriving early at Biden's inauguration so he could get a really, really good seat.

I would prefer Pence go quietly into that good political night. But if he thinks I'm going to forget all this he is mistaken. I would prefer he not force me to fight him, but if he does, I will -- and without ceasing.

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2,705 posted on 05/08/2021 2:02:06 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia ( )
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Most excellent post. Thank you.


2,706 posted on 05/08/2021 2:15:08 AM PDT by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Well stated.


2,709 posted on 05/08/2021 5:09:17 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are unfit to govern--they hate America, the Constitution and those they don't agree with.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Thank you for clearly stating what this traitor did to the president and the country.

I ALWAYS hated listening to Pence speak, and said so numerous times before this all came out. I always thought he sounded like a phony, smarmy, calculated politician. He has this dramatic way of speaking and it made my skin crawl. I had a gut feeling about him from the get-go.


2,711 posted on 05/08/2021 5:23:52 AM PDT by JudyinCanada (Aim low, avoid disappointment.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia; Spunky

1. Was it Pence’s job to fire Fauci? I would have thought it was Trump’s?

2. Since there’s STILL audits being done, months after January 6, what difference would a two week delay have made?

3. I’m not a Constitutional scholar, but I seem to recall there was two camps as to what power Pence truly had. I read the justification of those that said Pence could throw things back to the states and quite honestly, I didn’t think it held up. If memory serves, the second set of letters from the states that you refer to were not certified properly by the states in question, but were sent by the GOP party of that state on its own. If those letters were illegitimate, then they were properly thrown out.

4. I also find it odd that the stories of Pence raping little boys and ‘we knew it back in 2018’ weren’t discussed until 2021. Did I miss them back in 2018? And as always in these types of things, any ‘evidence’ is so horrible they can’t be shown in public but a ‘select’ few are allowed to see them. I call hogwash on anything that can’t be shown to the public or isn’t involving public arrests.

Honestly, I don’t have an opinion about Pence one way or another. He would be low on my list to vote for as a candidate, but not because of anything involving the 2020 election. He’s too milk toast for my tastes. Would be interesting to see people be boxed in to choosing between Jenner and Pence on a ballot.

My personal opinion only; we’re all entitled to one. Your mileage may vary, yada yada yada.


2,712 posted on 05/08/2021 6:00:30 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (Idiots are of two kinds: those who try to be smart and those who think they are smart.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Great post.

Poor Trump, he really did have to fight everybody. And look how much he accomplished in spite of them.


2,746 posted on 05/08/2021 3:45:14 PM PDT by CottonBall (MAKE REPUBLICANS WHIGS AGAIN!)
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To: Right_in_Virginia; exit82; CottonBall; JudyinCanada; Spirit of Liberty; Rusty0604
"....his office was a source of leaks throughout their four years in office."

You just throw that out there and we are to believe that is fact. How do you know this? Sources please.

"Pence was so ineffective heading the COVID response..."

What was he so ineffective in not doing? I always heard President Trump say he was doing a great job. Like a few minutes into this task force update video.
Task Fource

"POTUS had to take over the calls with the governors and the coordination with the private sector for PPE/ventilator manufacturing and with the military for their distribution."

Where did you get that from? Everything I have read or heard Pence played a big part in getting things done and President Trump praised him for it. Examples from an article:

"In his role as head of the coronavirus task force, Pence has maintained working relationships with governors — even the ones sometimes fighting with Trump."

"I say, 'Mike, don't call the governor of Washington. You're wasting your time with him. Don't call the woman in Michigan,' " Trump recounted at a recent briefing.

Both are Democratic governors in states hit hard by the coronavirus.

"He's a different type of person. He'll call quietly anyway," Trump said.

And Pence did call. Along the individual check-ins, the former Indiana governor has had more than a dozen conference calls with state leaders since late February.

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, says it's a credit to Pence that the calls are candid, open and nonpolitical.

"If you didn't have a scorecard, you wouldn't have known who was a Republican, who was a Democrat," DeWine said. "The vice president was engaged."

DeWine said Pence couldn't single-handedly fix nationwide supply shortages, which persist. But DeWine said Pence was able to clear bureaucratic jams at critical moments.

One came right after the state shut down schools. DeWine says Ohio still wanted to provide food to children who were dependent on school lunches. "We had to get a waiver. And the vice president jumped in, we got a waiver within less than 24 hours," DeWine said. "So they have been there when I've got a specific request."

Trump has called Washington Gov. Jay Inslee a "snake." But the Democrat Inslee said he has a "really good working relationship" with Pence, unaffected by any running commentary from the president.

"He has responded to my questions in a timely fashion. He's called me. We've had quite a number of conversations," Inslee said. "And I think that he's been very helpful to the process. Now, he's not been able to solve all of our concerns, obviously."

Pence has won praise from Trump himself.

"Mike Pence, I don't even think he sleeps anymore," Trump said at a recent briefing.
ARTICAL

"And then came Jan 6 --- Pence had already thrown away the lifeline Cruz gave him by not supporting a two week delay..."

I guess it just doesn't matter what the Constitution or the Law/Rules say about what day the counting begins or HOW a CONTESTED vote is to be dealt with since so many of you think that Senator Cruz is the authority on how to change what the CONSTITUTION says.

"Pence had thrown away the letters sent to him from state legislatures outlining the fraud and requesting a delay in certification in their states, and during the Congressional session on Jan 6 he threw away the pleas from Republican representatives and senators NOT to end the challenges to certification for six states."

Threw away letters? It has always been my understanding that anything that came in was to be maintained. Maybe that only applies to the President. Where is your source for this? Also on the day of the vote I watched, and the letters that were presented by a few representatives DID NOT HAVE any signature by a senator which IS REQUIRED it has to have 2 signatures. One Rep. and One Senator.

2,759 posted on 05/08/2021 8:27:18 PM PDT by Spunky (My husband always said; "The more you stir shit, the more it stinks.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

You make good points


2,775 posted on 05/09/2021 3:47:00 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is -- tell the storm how big your God is!)
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