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The problem with Ukraine (pinging caww who knows more than anyone about it due to massive reserach some years ago) is that Ukraine was not suppoed to be able to join the EU due to some (agreement/something or other) that the countries bordering RU were supposed to remain neutral, like a buffer (caww, correct me if I got it wrong). So Ukraine demanded to be able to join the EU, egged on and financed by Soros/dirty US money involving Bitem, McCain, Victoria Nuland and others.

Before the Euro-Maidan “protests” (people were paid to “protest”), Ukraine started being very repressive towards RU speaking people in Ukraine, of which there are many, restricting them in many ways, one I remember is kids in schools were forbidden to speak RU or use their RU names. There was much more.

The Svoboda Party and its paramilitary wing Pravi Sektor were highly involved; this is an openly neo-Nazi party, and they used ff killings of “protestors” and blamed on Russian separatists, that is just one example of what went down.

So this is a very complex issue. Crimea is a whole nother thing, also more than meets the eye.

said, "pinging caww who knows more than anyone"

caww stated in a different thread
"The US isn’t reacting....it’s instigating......we put US military leaders with Ukraine soldiers firing near the airport this week and have been bringing troops into Ukraine fr several years now. Plus Ukraine’s Pres.told Crimean’s to get back under Kiev control in December. Things have escalated because Obama is running Ukraine and hiding behind Biden’s skirt..and Putin knows it very well. There’s no way Putins just going to let this stuff fly
We really have no legal right being there

According to Interior Ministry data, more than
332,000 illegal migrants from Uzbekistan.......
152,000 from Ukraine,...
120,000 from Azerbaijan,
115,000 from Kyrgyzstan,...
61,000 from Armenia, ....
56,000 from Moldova and
49,000 from Kazakhstan"

It would seem they're using the same method to change the demographics in Ukraine as they're in the US and Europe

You and Snowybear have a pretty good handle on it and both are right actually.

Every major power has always configured their areas of influence regarding other countries....even we do that...Ukraine has always been Russia’s red-line for years and though NATO said it had no plans to station nuclear weapons in new member states or send in new permanent military forces they’ve been inciting protests and riots in Ukraine for years. In fact theres a ‘dial-up’ group In Uraine who are also “on call’ to create pubic unrest in Russia.

Ukraine will never be anything but a debtor state...The EU and IMF Made certain of this regardless whatever association it has with Europe. They will pull Keiv’s strings along with the US....Putin knows this all to well.

#USSTRATCOM Posture Statement Preview: The spectrum of conflict today is neither linear nor predictable. We must account for the possibility of conflict leading to conditions which could very rapidly drive an adversary to consider nuclear use as their least bad option. pic.twitter.com/4Oe7xkl05L— US Strategic Command (@US_Stratcom) April 20, 2021