Posted on 04/07/2021 9:17:56 AM PDT by Red Badger
Bingo.
Nattokinase
Very true...a lot of things can cause anxiety and mental disorders pre Covid or post Covid. My point is to not dismiss a physiological etiology either.
One can be strongly against the lockdowns/ mandates/fear mongering, as I am, BUT I will readily dismiss medical facts either. Pushing a narrative to exclusion to the point of flagrant disregarding of facts and possibilities is wrong whichever side does it.
So many assertions from our “official” sources have been self-contradictory, logically unsound, or demonstrably false that anyone capable of the slightest prudence must now lean on the side of cynicism with regard to all new declarations.
Not necessarily. One also can use common sense and not dismiss evidence because it doesn’t agree with a narrative. Both sides are guilty of that , personally I think the govt is more guilty but that’s my opinion based on common sense and basic science.
The issue before us concerns the article though. I totally disagree with those saying it’s ridiculous or just caused by the lockdowns etc...with the pathophysiology of Covid the incidence of of psychological problems could be more due to the clotting issues than due to sociological issues. But in fairness both may play a role. As mentioned dismissing Covid as a potential reason for the increase in anxiety and mental/psychological disorders.
Well, you go ahead and embrace every new revelation as it comes. I will remain skeptical until I see some REAL science from trusted sources.
Locking people down, closing businesses and mask propaganda 24/7 had nothing to do with it though, right?
Oh it gets even worse...
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210407/erectile-dysfunction-risk-6-times-higher-in-men-with-covid
I did see an article mentioning that one of the jabs is causing shrinkage of the penis. Can’t remember where as I scrolled past it. Perhaps Twitter?
its called science!!!! As i mentioned previously i have a have a CLINICAL background as a perfusionist and in the med device industry...I have seen the effects of microemboli on the body whether it be the brain or kidney. I have seen the effects of “pumphead” syndrome from pts undergoing open heart surgery which would mimic some of the disorders described in the paper.
Its not “embracing every revelation” but rather my using commonsense from KNOWN medical phenomenon from papers and EXPERIENCE and coming to a rational conclusion.
A case in point would be for you to think about what happpens when a pt has a stroke. They get confused, have the propensity for mental/psychological effects due to the stroke. What causes the strokes??? Many variables one of them being clots (as in pts with afib). As I mentioned with COVID many of those pts develop hypercoaguable states and thus have a greater chance of throwing clots to the brain, kidneys (causing renal failure which IS DOCUMENTED).
As i also mentioned these pts if placed on ECMO ROUTINELY clot off their circuits much quicker than non covid pts.
So you can say I am running to “embrace every revelation”. I hate to say it but many here run to embrace the opposite...They run to embrace every skepticism. As someone else here shared they had a family member have severe neurological effects. It was probably due to clotting and embolization to the brain.
So i challenge you....show me where hypercoagulabilty is NOT an issue in covid patients and that the blood clots generated cant travel to the brain and cause damage to the brain. If you can then i will believe you. If not then you are speaking from ignorance.
As a primer to start to show my point here is an article on pump head syndrome
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cognitive-impairment-after-heart-bypass-surgery-4122168
some more on the subject
https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-and-blood-clots#causes
https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
https://www.elso.org/COVID19.aspx (ELSO is the international training and registry center for all things ECMO. You wnat to know about COVID an ECMO come here. The forst paper has Dr Bartlett, the father of ECMO at Univ of MIch as an author)
https://www.elso.org/Registry/FullCOVID19RegistryDashboard.aspx Here is the registry info for pts on ECMO who have covid...no political spin just the facts as reported voluntarily by hospitals
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32008-0/fulltext ELSO lancet article...just the facts based upon the above registry material.
Well, someone’s panties got bunched.
There is a huge difference between theoretical possibilities and things actually happening. Could COVID cause neurological problems? Sure, why not. Is it? THAT is where the point of contention is.
Nobody would deny that COVID can cause death. Heck, the common cold can cause death in some people. But is it causing death in the numbers that are being claimed? We can almost certainly say NO to that question at this point. So, doubting the official death stats is not the same as doubting that COVID can cause death. And our “official” sources have lied and BSed us for an entire year about the case rate AND death rate.
So why in the world would I take for granted any numbers they put out regarding neurological problems of COVID survivors? I’ll wait until real data from trusted sources come out.
Nope...my “panties are not in a wad” at all.
More than likely it IS causing some of the neurological. Thats not theory but FACT since it has caused strokes. Commonsense and scientific data has shown that to be the case. In fact if you cared to look at what links I posted it shows that to be a high likelihood of the neuro incidents.
To Segway to deaths caused by covid is a nonsequiter since we were, at least I was referencing the article about neuro issues.
Also please name some trusted sources that you would listen to??? Alex Jones???
One of my Sunday School kids was always depressed which she had treated as Anxiety because all the cool kids had it. She got Covid and now has the CFS version of Depression.
I dont know..I was adopted at 6 days old....do you know what nonsequiter means???
non sequitur nŏn sĕk′wĭ-tər, -too͝r″►
n. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.
n. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
n. In law or logic, an inference or a conclusion which does not follow from the premises.
so when we are originally talking about the article and neuro based outcomes, which i have been always CLEARLY refering to, and you start to then mentions deaths by covid you are not following the original premise of what was being discussed...
Also i notice you didnt address ny last question...what sources would you trust???
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