Posted on 04/05/2021 8:45:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I never said my hospital had the first covid patient. I said I thought I may have had the first covid patient in my hospital. Funny that you’re digging through posts that are at least a month old to try to discredit some random guy on the internet. That’s some serious fanaticism there. You must be a real nut and therefore a real asset to the anti-mask, anti-vaccine, covid denial team. I’m gonna pray for your sanity to be restored Jane.
Thanks for your input Cathi. If anyone misunderstood me, I meant to say that I understand why people will suggest that an autopsy would prove something. Christensen’s quote is true as far as it goes, but it only bogs down in the details of causes of death and autopsies. If that commenter had said any other word beside “autopsy” we should take his point. When we say “no causal connection” that is a very strong statement for those of us who know what it means, but it is not persuasive to certain people.
Is there any proposed mechanism by which the mRNA vaccine is fatal?
I did see the problem with the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot in Austria, blood clots from a bad batch.
In the absence of any hypothesized mechanism, there is nothing left but counting deaths and looking for patterns. Do you see any patterns at all?
Given some hypothesis, then we could say what we need to be looking for and whether an autopsy or lab results or concurrent symptoms, or a New Orleans VooDoo will get us the information we need.
FReegards Cathi!
Then, over the following weeks I see you repeatedly give diagnoses.....ex: (about the vax'd guy whose skin was peeling) he's suffering from Stevens-Johnson syndrome.
And, you know this how? You're his attending physician?
Then....when asked about your background, or questioning safety of these experimental shots, you resort to name calling....calling FReepers, "certified idiots" and "too stupid"....or, telling them to 'get ****" and to 'GTFO', etc.
Vulgar and immature, to say the least.
Yet....you refuse to answer the one question I have, for you...
What is your medical profession background/your area of medical expertise?
I think this is only a fair question...considering 99% of your posts are about giving hundreds of mNRA vax's, their safety and even saying what you assume the "diagnosis" is, of adverse 'vax' side effects, etc.
Just tell us, so we'll understand why you're so adamant about pushing the China virus 'vaccines'....and, providing China flu death 'stats', offering supposed 'diagnoses' for bad side effects, etc. day in, day out, thread after thread.
Hold your prayers for your pay Masters, bud.
I'm going to have to pray harder for you clearly.
Ha! And, STILL NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
Telling.
VAERS is not attempting to prove causation which is why despite 3 months of vaccine administration with 2,509 VAERS after vax deaths and 205,000 reported VAERS adverse events they have not established any causation for any of them.
It is very difficult to prove a vaccine caused the effect which is why they rely on looking to “detect patterns.” Autopsies are rarely conducted and as medical examiners have stated you cannot determine a vaccine caused a death unless it occurs immediately after injection (anaphylaxis)
VAERS data going back for decades is clear they have never had even a fraction of the 205,000 VAERS for any other vaccine. These numbers are historic.
The best way to measure the vaccine’s contribution to after vax death is to compare the results from this vaccine to previous vaccines and, in fact, in VAERS recently released Standard Operating Procedures for the covid vaccine they actually spell that out “Perform comparative analysis with other vaccines (e.g., compare frequencies and proportions with influenza vaccine) • Analyze reporting rates and compare reporting rates with other vaccines or background rates.”
Here are the comparative vaccine numbers:
Flu vaccine: 1/1/2020 - 3/11/2021 (covers 64 weeks) Over 200 million doses administered
12,491 adverse effects reported to VAERS; 159 deaths. 66% of senior citizens get a flu shot. Adults 18-64 Years Old Least Likely to Get Flu Shots (35.7%)
Covid vaccine: 12/20/2020 - 3/19/2021 (covers 12 weeks)
Over 140 million doses administered
205,000 adverse effects reported to VAERS; 2,509 deaths.
https://twitter.com/richzucker/status/1374030141618200577
Data indicates that 1/3 of the deaths after covid vax occurs in the first 48 hrs. post vaccine.
https://twitter.com/birb_k/status/1376152228268888069/photo/1
Prophylactic vaccines are given to healthy people. If they kill or seriously harm people who were not likely to contract the virus to begin with and would be expected to recover even if they did then they are not a satisfactory solution.
By the way, just as an aside, I read an interesting article from 2017 about the new mRNA technology. The author was part of the development and very upbeat about the prospects for the tech. But, he specifically made the point that it would be used first in a disease like cancer because of the significant adverse effects risk which is acceptable in a fatal disease, but would never be approved by the FDA for a prophylactic vaccine. Fast forward 3 years and the pandemic and it is being used despite significant adverse effect risk; not to mention unknown at this point long term risk.
In the category of long term risk this research demonstrates that the “spike” protein the vaccines produce itself may result in the pathogenesis of certain diseases.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/1/36/htm
“It is generally thought that the sole function of viral membrane fusion proteins is to allow the viruses to bind to the host cells for the purpose of viral entry into the cells, so that the genetic materials can be released and the viral replication and amplification can take place. However, recent observations suggest that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein can by itself trigger cell signaling that can lead to various biological processes. It is reasonable to assume that such events, in some cases, result in the pathogenesis of certain diseases.
Our laboratory only tested the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in lung vascular cells and those implicated in the development of PAH. However, this protein may also affect the cells of systemic and coronary vasculatures, eliciting other cardiovascular diseases such as coronary artery disease, systemic hypertension, and stroke. In addition to cardiovascular cells, other cells that express ACE2 have the potential to be affected by the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which may cause adverse pathological events. Thus, it is important to consider the possibility that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein produced by the new COVID-19 vaccines triggers cell signaling events that promote PAH, other cardiovascular complications, and/or complications in other tissues/organs in certain individuals (Figure 3). We will need to monitor carefully the long-term consequences of COVID-19 vaccines that introduce the spike protein into the human body. Furthermore, while human data on the possible long-term consequences of spike protein-based COVID-19 vaccines will not be available soon, it is imperative that appropriate experimental animal models are employed as soon as possible to ensure that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein does not elicit any signs of the pathogenesis of PAH or any other chronic pathological conditions.
PAH “outbreaks” have occurred in association with exposure to certain drugs or toxins [39]. A major outbreak of PAH occurred in 1965 and was associated with aminorex, a weight-loss stimulating drug [39,40]. Approximately 0.2% of people who took this drug developed PAH [40]. An epidemic was observed two years after the introduction of aminorex, and half of the patients died 10 years after the epidemic [39].
In conclusion, the recent advancement in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-based COVID-19 vaccine development is exciting and has shed light on how to end the current pandemic. These vaccines should benefit elderly people with underlying conditions if they do not exhibit any acute adverse events. However, we need to consider their long-term consequences carefully, especially when they are administered to otherwise healthy individuals as well as young adults and children. In addition to evaluating data that will become available from SARS-CoV-2 infected individuals as well as those who received the spike protein-based vaccines, further investigations of the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in human cells and appropriate animal models are warranted.
My advice to anyone who wants to get a clear picture of the deaths after the covid vax should go to the VAERS Wonder site and pull up the deaths and read the specifics. I have read hundreds of them...very sad.
It may mean something. It may mean nothing. The proper use for that data is to model it against known baselines and investigation deviations from normal, based on the studied cohorts.Â
But we all know that the onset of anaphylaxis is rapid, and there are numerous accounts of people demonstrating symptoms of anaphylaxis in rapid response to 'vaccination'. Such anaphylactic symptoms have to be attributed to something introduced to the patient within a short span of time.
When you people aren't arguing the dataset is meaningless, you're saying we have to rely on examinations of the dataset for background frequency before we excercise common sense.
Those seated at Jim Jone's Kookaid buffet could have looked around and realized that anyone who 'drank the Koolaid" abruptly dropped to the ground writing in death throes, and those who had not yet imbibed were fine. But according to your logic, they must not let the dying around them influence their decision and should instead, drink up!
Some look around at others, like the one in the following post, and decide not to drink the Koolaid, but choose instead to use safe, time-tested, effective medications.
The reports make me wonder why we aren't warning people that the vaccine can exacerbate 'hidden illnesses' (I've seen this excuse often. Following vacination a person is hit with previously undiagnosed diabetes, leukemia etc.). Maybe some would like to pass on the Koolaid until those pesky studies are done to explain these reactions or create guidelines and warnings to protect those who may have such 'hidden' conditions. Maybe these supposedly 'hidden' illnesses would remain so throughout the patient's life if not for experimental, faux-vaccinations.
Neither you nor I know whether the events listed are happening at a normal background frequency unless we're actually studying the dataset.
Speak for yourself. We can employ common sense and accept a physician's incredulity his patient's plalet count was zero within three days of having the vaccine (other cases like his are in VAERS) likely indicates low background frequency. The physician assumed the lab report simply had to be wrong.Â
The CDC owns and operates VAERS (and China owns and operates the CDC and the China virus), so I believe the data is under-reported. It also explains why shills keep trying to prevent anyone from using the observational data in VAERS until 12+ years of studies have taken place.
In other words, if between 900 and 1100 people fall and break their hips in a normal January - March timeframe and 975 people fell and broke their hips January - March, then do those falls mean anything? Do they mean the vaccine is causing people to fall down? Should that number be zero suddenly because of the vaccine?
Ridiculous out-of-context sophistry. A week or two ago, VAERS data indicated 1/3 of all deaths occurred within 48 hours and Covid deaths accounted for 84% of deaths recorded in VAERS in the last 10 years. At what point will shills be too embarrased to distort the truth the way they do?
The obvious answer in that example is that the 975 falls likely mean nothing because they're well within the normal range. But some here will trot those numbers out and rant about how 975 people have fallen and people who are pro-vaccine don't even care about the evil vaccine making everyone fall over.
 In case anyone reading this hasn't noticed, the CDC is evil and has lied and manipulated reality from the first public betrayal, back when the CDC elected not to follow it's own protocols and produced millions of contaminated PCR tests. Advocate for your self. It's us versus the CDC and the rest of the Biden machinery trying to enslave us with toxic vaccines and lockdowns. China owns Biden for a reason.....
I'll say it again - in the battle between good and evil, it's us versus the CDC, FDA, Biden Administration, Vaccine manufactures and all others ordering us to ignore common sense and do as we're told. The Biden administration 'needs' Vaccine Passports because too many Americans have woken up to their plans.
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But you're not just some random guy on the internet.
You are he who knows. The 300 lb male Gaylord Fokker who would throw 'anti-vaxxers' off a cliff, amirite?
Cause you 'care' so much about people.
I know you're kidding, but that seriously would be recorded in VAERS. 100%. It's a death, which is an adverse event, VAERS ID 10011906. By law, this would be recorded in VAERS. That's literally how this all works.
From the VAERS website itself:
Everyone undecided, or not taking this vaccine, remember this:
If you are having future scheduled medical procedures done, bank some of your blood ahead of time. These mrna snippets get inside cells, that includes blood cells.
Don’t forget this is another vector where you could wind up with mrna vaccine in you even though you avoided the shot, or haven't decided if you want it or not.
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House Atreides wrote: Do we need to avoid the bodily fluids of people who have been vaccinated? ;-)
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ransomnote wrote: Probably.
The vaccine's are based on the China Virus genome provided to us by....China. So it will likely have been modified to be more easily transmitted through blood or bodily fluids because it's a bio weapon.
Here's standard medical advice for dealing with viruses which have not been weaponized:
Contact with Blood or Body Fluids: Protecting against Infection | HealthLinkBC File 97
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“You should be embarrassed to tell that one.”
He won’t be.
And you’re douchebagster, the internet conspiracy theorist who advises people to ignore their doctors and to not get vaccinated and to listen to his medical advice instead because he has internet search super powers that give him knowledge and understanding of government conspiracies and human nature that are far beyond anything anyone could ever learn in medical school. Hey douchebagster, we gave over 1,500 doses of Pfizer vaccines last night. There were plenty of teenagers and twenty year olds. I thought you might like to know.
You don’t need to be a genius to research on the internet. You do need a modicum of intelligence to think critically. More adverse effects from experimental mRNA treatment in a few short months versus other treatments that have been in use for years? Someone with a logical mind would be able to tell something is wrong.
Out of 165 million doses administered. What's that work out to? About 99.9997% have no adverse reaction? I like my odds.
Run-on sentence, bro.
Hey douchebagster, we gave over 1,500 doses of Pfizer vaccines last night. There were plenty of teenagers and twenty year olds. I thought you might like to know.
Way to go, Dr. Mengele.
p.s. Does this mean you're not gonna pray for me no more?
#SadFace
#GaylordFokkerMaleNurse
#300PoundsOnTheHoof
CDC, bro.
Ruh roh, bro.
Isn’t VAERS a self-reporting system? That alone would create a bias in the data. I took the Pfizer vax, had a sore arm both times and I didn’t report that.
PHD University of Life.
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