Posted on 03/27/2021 6:03:35 PM PDT by ransomnote
Edited on 03/27/2021 7:10:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The rule-of-thumb that I reliably encounter among medical alrticles is that approximately 10% of adverse reactions to vaccines are reported in the CDCs VAERS Database.
Since I often see statistics quoted as if VAERS contains total adverse reactions, instead of the number voluntarily reported in the database, I will try to provide both literal and rule-of-thumb values.
Utilizing this rule of thumb, Friday's VAERS report of approx 1985 deaths likely reflects 19,850 actual deaths in the United States.
VAERS DATA
93 of the 225 vacinnes in VAERS include reported deaths , and of those 93, Moderna and Pfizer top the charts and surely, they are among the newest.
LOL. It's the CDC that says they've reviewed the deaths and can't attribute any to the vaccine.
You tout the CDC VAERS numbers but discount the CDC's analysis of those numbers.
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Masks and social distancing are both methods of preventing injury from disease. Traffic lights and airbags are both methods of preventing injury from traffic accidents. The analogy is fine; you just don't like that it exposes how ridiculous this talking point really is.
"Illogical. So, because they said it means the vax wasn't rushed? You fail to make the connection."
The vaccines have gone through full Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials. President Trump has stated multiple times that they are well tested, passed the "gold standard" of safety testing, and have not been rushed. It was Pelosi, Cuomo, and Newsom (among others) claiming otherwise in October when they were worried the FDA would authorize vaccines for use before the election. Nothing was rushed; all normal testing was done using one of the four available accelerated tracks which have been in place at the FDA for decades.
"Emotional hyperbole: One man's 'nuisance' and 'nonsense' is another man's righteous justice. Calling it nuisance and nonsense does not make it so. Opinion."
Actually, no. It's a legal term and the anti-vaxxer suits that threatened to cut off the US supply of DPT vaccine in the 1980s were determined to be nuisance suits by United States courts 35+ years ago. Every single claim was eventually thrown out, but the process costs so much money that the vaccine makers were being run out of business.
This is the same tactic used by left-wing anti-gun nuts trying to sue gun makers out of business and it led to The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act to shield gun makers from those same kinds of nuisance suits.
"Facts not in evidence. Because you claim ZERO deaths causally linked, does not make it so. There is CDC data and anecdotal evidence to show that there has been death and adverse reaction in the immediate time frame after being vaccinated."
Link to a single case of a death in the United States or the UK that has been fully investigated and determined to have been caused by a COVID-19 vaccine. Link to one. Just one. You can't. Because it doesn't exist.
"The 600,000 number is a lie."
You really want to argue over math now? Are you seriously not able to punch "92,000,000 * 0.0065" into a calculator? Spoiler alert: I did and it came up with 598,000.
I’m still looking at the data set you posted (thank you) and am stunned. Maybe I am not understanding it correctly.
Why does the total line include the stat 122%?
DEATH Total 2,203 122.80%
Anything that fits the desired narrative from any source (including anonymous posts on 8chan or Youtube videos or conspiracy theory websites) is true. Anything that does not fit the desired narrative from any source (including published peer reviewed scientific papers or President Trump's own mouth) is false.
In psychology, there's a principle called "commitment and consistency", wherein someone will go to incredible lengths to maintain a consistent point of view, even when presented with a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Taken to the extreme, this results in delusions (which is not a pejorative when used in a technical sense) that become self-reinforcing. In other words, you seek out whatever scrap of possible corroboration you can find (regardless of how shaky it may be) while discounting or discrediting anything that challenges the delusion (no matter how reliable it may be). Reality becomes less of a factor as desperation to maintain the delusion grows.
Well, you're clearly not familiar with the components of the vaccines, so here's a list.
Please name which of those components you think are a problem.
“LOL. It’s the CDC that says they’ve reviewed the deaths and can’t attribute any to the vaccine.”
Idiots don’t care . They’re idiots.
People who aren’t proud idiots may... but those are not these fools desired audience.
What was in post 46?
The mods zapped it.
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WRONGO. Traffic lights are to prevent accidents (and congestion, and accidents sans injury, and getting tickets, and your insurance going up. Injuries are possible in accidents but not inevitable). Airbags are to prevent INJURY after an accident has occurred.
Your attempt to conflate accidents with injury to make your point is blatantly ridiculous and false.
Doubling down on logic fail and crappy analogy.
Nothing was rushed; all normal testing was done...
Well, that's a relief. So, with proper, normal FDA approval, we can.....oh, wait. There is no proper, normal FDA approval. There is EMERGENCY AUTHORIZATION because they didn't HAVE TIME to do the proper and normal approval procedure.
Looks like they were rushed no matter what Trump, your drug companies, Fauci, or you say.
So you get another WRONGO on this one.
Every single claim was eventually thrown out...
Corporate $$$ buys many things. Corrupt courts exist. Court says nuisance, you say nonsense, neither one of those 'verdicts' renders the complaint invalid. If they were tossed on those grounds, then the evidence was not heard.
And the complainant did not get a fair hearing.
They needed Matt Damon, attorney at law. Or Saul. The $$$ money guys got you.
And always remember, calling something nonsense does not make it necessarily so.
Link to a single case of a death in the United States or the UK that has been fully investigated and determined to have been caused by a COVID-19 vaccine. Link to one. Just one. You can't. Because it doesn't exist.
There are lists, government (CDC) graphics, and actual names of dead people all over FR. You go on all the threads with your Pfizer/Fauci ass. You've seen them. I will not hunt them down, while you pretend you haven't seen them. Is you crazy or is you lazy?
You really want to argue over math now? Are you seriously not able to punch "92,000,000 * 0.0065" into a calculator? Spoiler alert: I did and it came up with 598,000.
I don't want to argue at all. I want you to stop lying and using false figures and denying real figures.
Everyone knows the REAL death numbers are much, much lower than 600k. That has been argued for months on FR. You've seen that too. I won't restate that argument.
You know the truth, but you lie in support of your agenda, like the derps are doing in order to make us all take their $$$ fake Chines potion vax.
So, rather than argue, admit you lie, apologize for gaslighting FR, resign your position at Pfizer and repent.
You may still get into heaven.
91.7 million have had one vaccine shot.
50 million have had both needed for their vaccine.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
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There's also no proof that the event was NOT caused by the vaccine, because no experimental gene therapy rushed to market in 6 months without sufficient testing or FDA approval could possibly have enough evidence to prove anything.
That's why they are rushing to get as many 'shots' in arms as possible before someone halts this awful travesty.
Causal data takes years to accumulate (est. 10 years of blood, urine, and other bio assessments, extensive human trials to determine long term impacts, etc.). So essentially you are arguing the fact that the mRNA Covid 'vaccines' are not FDA approved, little understood, and insufficiently tested renders them free from any legitimate concern no matter how many people die daily.
Using VAERS event data, 1985 deaths have been reported since adminstration began December 14, 2020. A total of 103 days have elapsed during the administration of the vaccine. Based only on observations recorded in VAERS, an average of 19 deaths per day have been reporte for Covid in VAERS during the entire administration of the Covid 'vaccine' in the U.S.
But since the rule-of-thumb for VAERS data is that only 10% of total events are reported, there has likely been 19,850 actual deaths during this time period which is an average 190 people per day.
But according to your 'logic', it doesn't matter if 500,000 deaths were reported to VAERS for the COVID vaccine for this time period, which would be a daily average of 4,854.
There would be no proof that the COVID vaccine is NOT responsible for this fantastically exaggerated average number of deaths per day, just as there would be no proof that it is responsible for them. This is why it disgusts me to see you blanket every conversation and thread with your 'talking points'. You intentionally assert a burden of proof based on data you know will be unavailable for 10 years or more.
If the CDC had wanted to, it could have mandated that the doctor or coroner confirming the death of a patient be required to record it in VAERS. But that would be too much like exposing the vaccine industry's dirty game. The public would have what it needs to make an informed decision and that isn't in the best interests of people like you.
When people grasp at the only data they can find (e.g., VAERS) your kind sneers that the data means NOTHING. You are insisting the public not have a single shred of information no matter how many people collapse and die - even if they did so within 40 seconds of having the injection, because the experimental 'vaccines' have never been sufficiently studied.
Now that I know how deeply the CDC has betrayed the public with its malevolent manipulation (e.g., withholding effective treatments while people die, lying about masks, immunity, the 'vaccines', knowing use of the invalid PCR) I believe that the CDC would not hesitate to underreport death totals as there would be no other record of deaths available to the public to compare with. It's the kind of lie with which the CDC has become accustomed.
To be fair, the VAERS data is independently added by non-CDC medical entities.
As for what the CDC does with anything, well, it’s a political monster that has not had a stellar record with most anything COVID-19.
PS: Data entry into VAERS is not entered “by law”. The database permits voluntary data entry performed by a variety of people with or without medical training. There are self-reports in there where people describe what happened to them for various event categories but not for death.
I may be mistaken, 2a, but I think you just got told. Again.
See what happens when you mess around?
Wow.
Amazed you would, personally, be so dishonest here.
I'm not amazed that you would call someone a liar without naming their lies. Its par for your course.
You are trash, mith.
Goodnight.
Wow.
Amazed you would, personally, be so dishonest here.
Will you be able to destroy ransomnote’s years of experience here?
I hope not.
If big pharma had put as much effort into investigating HCQ, Ivermectin, and other possible treatments.
But I know.
Not enough money to be made in them and besides, nobody really wants a cure. They’d be putting themselves out of business if there was one.
There’s always at least one.
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