Posted on 03/25/2021 9:21:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
JOY DIVISION was founded in 1976 and while only together for a short time, made a big impact on the post-punk movement - but what does their name mean?
Joy Division started life thank to Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook, who formed a band after going to a Sex Pistols concert. The duo were joined by vocalist Ian Curtis and drummer Stephen Morris and the group self-released their debut EP An Ideal for Living in 1978 before their debut album Unknown Pleasures, recorded with producer Martin Hannett, came out in 1979. The band then broke up a year later.
How did Joy Division get their name?
Joy Division was not the first name the band had gone for - in fact, there were several iterations before the final lineup came together.
Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook, who were childhood friends in Manchester, saw the Sex Pistols live and became enamoured with the idea of becoming musicians.
They formed a band with another friend, Terry Mason, and bought instruments to start playing together.
The threesome hired Ian Curtis after advertising for a vocalist, without audition, as they knew him from around the Manchester music scene.
When Barnard and Peter first decided to form a band, Stiff Kittens was suggested as their name by Buzzcocks manager Richard Boon.
This was rejected, however, and instead the band was called Warsaw, referencing the David Bowie song Warszawa from 1977.
They played their first gig under this name later that year, supporting John Cooper Clarke and the Buzzcocks.
Later that year they hired Stephen Morris to be their drummer, after Terry became their manager and their replacement drummer, Steve Brotherdale, was fired.
Stephen was a school friend of Ian’s and the line-up of Bernard, Peter, Stephen and Ian was in place.
The group then underwent a rebrand, adopting the name Joy Division to avoid confusion with the London punk band Warsaw Pakt.
What does Joy Division mean?
The name was borrowed from the 1955 novel House of Dolls, which referred to a sexual slavery wing of a Nazi concentration camp.
Written by Holocuast survivor Ka-tzetnik 135633, real name Yehiel De-Nur, the book refers to a young Jewish girl who is brought to the ‘joy division’ of a concentration camp.
These ‘joy divisions’ were areas of a concentration camp where women were kept as sexual slaves for the pleasure of Nazi guards.
While it is not clear who came up with Joy Division, the influence was the concentration camp novel, and the change was made in early 1978, though they were still billed as Warsaw at the beginning to ensure their fans knew them.
The band also includes a short excerpt from the novella in one of their early songs, No Love Lost.
The song was their first single and the cover depicted a Hitler youth member beating a drum.
While the B-side, Warsaw, told the story of Nazi deserter Rudolf Hess who fled to Scotland.
Writing in So This Is Permanence, a collection of the writings of the late singer Ian Curtis, editor Jon Savage said the band were not exploited the Nazi era but rather were profoundly moved by it.
While Bernard Sumner wrote in his memoir Chapter and Verse says he was the one who turned Curtis onto the book.
He wrote: “I came across a reference to a section where women were housed for the pleasure of Nazi officers on leave.
“It was known as the Freudenabteilung, the Joy Division, and that phrase just leapt out at me immediately as the perfect name for the band.”
Who doesn’t know this?
The story of Ian Curtis is one of the saddest. Misdiagnosed for his epilepsy, no doubt the medications contributed to his suicide.
There’s a great movie called ‘Control’, about the band in those days.
At the time of the recording of the band's second album, Curtis's condition was particularly severe, with him enduring a weekly average of two tonic-clonic seizures. On one occasion during these recordings, Curtis's bandmates became concerned when they noted he had been absent from the recording studio for two hours. The band's bassist, Peter Hook, discovered Curtis unconscious on the floor of the studio's toilets, having hit his head on a sink following a seizure.
This condition might have been controllable using current meds. Sad.
The guy who played Ian Curtis in 24 Hour Party People did a pretty good job.
The doctors killed him.
I specifically remember where I was when I heard Closer for the first time.
It would be very difficult to say who doesn’t know this. A lot of people don’t know it, I’m sure of that.
Their new name after Ian’s tragic suicide, New Order, was a cool one, too, in the same Nazi vein, meant to shock the established order, which is a pretty punk thing to be doing.
“It would be very difficult to say who doesn’t know this. A lot of people don’t know it, I’m sure of that.”
I’m just joking a bit.
I knew of course but I knew about this band before Curtis killed himself when 99% of music fans never even heard of them.
Same here. I must be aging when I knew this band, the same way I listened to the Smiths, The Cure, Echo & the Bunnymen etc..
Yeah. Killing An Arab. Cure’s first single. I had that.
I wish I hadn’t lost these things over the years.
... Sisters of Mercy, Jawbreaker, Jets to Brazil, Smashing Pumpkins, ...
I was gonna pay a DJ $20 to play that song right after 9/11 but chickened out.
It was playing on the radio in the months leading up to Operation Desert Storm.
Saw The Cure on their first US tour in the spring of 1980 in NYC at a club called The Ritz . It was their 2nd gig , the first being the day before iN New Jersey . Saw them again in 1981 in NYC on the Faith Tour and once again in 1984 just after Boris Williams joined the band . Then in the spring of 1985 saw New Order when I was visiting Japan . Oh - saw The Smiths live once , too . No Echo , though .
My older brother had the first Boys Dont Cry single vinyl probably in the state. My dad believe it or not, bought in the Philippines circa 84?, when he was working for Shell Oil, and had an assignment to work in the SE Asian branches, training the office guys. And yeah, that was one of my fave singles, killing an arab. Cant [ay that sh*t nowadays due to wokeness.
I saw the Cure once at the QE Theater in Vancouver BC. Sold out. Being a mosh guy, I dont like sitting down but I had my then-GF with me, so it was still OK.
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