Posted on 03/01/2021 11:24:58 AM PST by COBOL2Java
Justin Fredrickson, 35, has undergone multiple surgeries, but is expected to recover from the harrowing experience.
From madison.com . . .
Justin Fredrickson was extinguishing a house fire near Sheldon on Feb. 19 when he suddenly felt a pain in his stomach, according to Cornell Area Fire Chief Dennis Klass.Fortunately, it appears that Fredrickson will recover.“He was spraying water and he felt like he was hit in the stomach by a two-by-four,” Klass said Wednesday.
Fredrickson, 35, was wearing full turnout gear. He started to remove the clothing, to discover he had been shot in his lower stomach. Because of the gear, there wasn’t much blood visible.
Apparently, a loaded .38-caliber pistol within the house had fired, although no one was inside the structure. The gun had become so hot due to conditions from the blaze it began to fire rounds.
“There were four, five rounds that were fired,” Klass said. The bullets traveled through an exterior wall, including the one that struck Fredrickson. “This is just a freak accident. It could have happened to anybody.”
This story should provide an argument for the NRA’s Three Gun Safety Rules.
#1: ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.Many of us consider keeping a loaded firearm accessible in case of an emergency is “in use.” This incident should provide a reason why we shouldn’t store our guns with a round in the chamber unless there’s a good reason for it.#2: ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
#3: ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
After all, it’s in poor taste to have your guns cook off and wound the very people trying to save your life, your home and your possessions.
It must have been an old school SA revolver with the hammer down on a live round. Modern revolvers won’t discharge from getting bounced around unless something is broken.
“Yup. All the armchair firearms experts proclaiming authority don’t know the difference between a wheel gun and a semi. It seems these clowns think a revolver can go full auto.”
Actually, think about it a little harder.
The rounds go off in a gun in a fire from the heat igniting the primer, not because of a firing pin/hammer/striker impact on the primer. If there is no chamber around the cartridge going off, the pressure of the hot gases created by the burning gunpowder expands in almost all directions and just ruptures the case, and there is no significant push imparted to the bullet—the cartridge just goes “pop” and flies apart. But with a heavy walled chamber around a cartridge, the gas can only expand in two directions—toward the bullet or toward the primer, or both (that’s what the chamber is for), but toward the bullet is easier for the gas to expand, especially if there is a hammer/striker or frame or bolt behind the primer and the cartridge has a strong base with sealed center fire primer. With a semi-automatic or closed bolt weapon, the chamber is part of the barrel, and the force can only go down the barrel. With a revolver, however, the “chamber” is the wall of the cylinder around each cartridge, and the bullet from a round in the actual firing position (12 o’clock) leaves the chamber and goes across the cylinder gap into the forcing cone which makes sure the bullet goes down the barrel and out. But if the cylinder isn’t closed completely or is wobbly, the fired bullet leaves the cylinder and can strike the forward part of the revolver frame, causing serious gun or bodily harm. And if the cartridge ignites in a round in a chamber well away from the frame, the bullet can certainly fly out of the chamber and hit something else ahead, with a lot of force, but without any accuracy because it hasn’t gone down the barrel. Such “sympathetic” or double discharges with a revolver (a discharge of another cylinder position just immediately after the round in the actual firing position discharges, without the cylinder revolving) are well known, especially back in the day of black powder and percussion guns. IF there is enough heat with a fire to ignite one round in a revolver, it could certainly ignite more than one. In fact, the one in the firing position and under that (in a symmetrically loaded revolver, for example, at12 o’clock and 6 o’clock cylinder chambers) might be more protected from the heat and fire less quickly than those rounds in the outside (more exposed) spots.
So, yes, it is possible that rounds “cook off” in a loaded weapon and actually fire with significant force, probably just once in a semi-auto but potentially for multiple rounds in a revolver. WITHOUT the cylinder revolving or the trigger being actuated.
Must have been a .380, a .38 is a revolver and could not fire more than once under those circumstances.
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The rounds in the cylinder could cook off also, . . . maybe . . ..
Potentially, but most of them would be obstructed by the frame from going through the wall.
Mine says LLAMA 38 Super Automatic on the right side of the slide and LLAMA 9mm(.38) on the left side. Standard 9 will NOT work. And, I’m not gonna try either. LOL!
Potentially, but most of them would be obstructed by the frame from going through the wall.
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Maybe not. If a 5-shot.
Bottom 2 are obstructed a little, the next higher 2 are barely obstructed.
They will all get out, and fly around dangerously.
There have been 1911 pistols chambered in .38 Special. Uncommon, but not unknown.
That’s some video. The AR is not a super-powerful platform. Nor is the .223 or .556 round particularly powerful.
I’d like to ask the general if he would prefer being hit by a .308 hunting round from an old fashion bolt action rifle or a .556 round from that AR he was holding in the video.
Everyone on this thread knows what the answer would be.
Yes most of us gunsmiths understand firearms and ballistics, CUP pressures, etc.
They would all cook off, including the rounds in the mag, rendering the gun inoperable.
The story is bull, revolver or semiauto.
This was CNN’s attempt to educate the unwashed masses...
The goofy general shows and talks “single shot” then shows and talks “full semi-automatic” then pulls the trigger faster...?
I can’t believe CNN hasn’t adiosed this from everywhere...
He sure had bad luck.
What are the chances? The bullet could go ANYWHERE in a 360 degree circle and then ANYWHERE in a 360 degree arc and ANYWHERE in between.
(As the house is burning, the gun or ammo could likely have fallen, ending up pointing in ANY direction).
Its like being struck by lightning in the same place TWICE!
.357 Sig, .38 Super
meaning of rule three according to NRA:
If you carry a weapon for duty purposes, your carry weapon is ‘ready to use’ while on duty. If you are permitted to carry concealed, your personal defense weapon is ‘ready to use’ when holstered. If positioning a firearm for home defense, your gun is ‘ready to use’ when it can be quickly accessed to respond to a threat while properly stored to prevent misuse. If shooting competitively, your firearm is ‘ready for use’ when the target range is declared hot and you are waiting on the start signal.
Good grief!
.556?
Came here to say the same thing. LIES. No way a .38 revolver advanced the cylinder by itself.
I don’t see how a semiautomatic could cook off multiple rounds, either. Without a solid grip on the pistol, the slide isn’t going to return properly and the next bullet will fail to load.
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