Posted on 02/15/2021 4:41:57 AM PST by MtnClimber
It’s important to know both what we know about the new vaccines and what we don’t know.
I’ve practiced for 35 years. I am always honest with my patients, even if conversations are difficult or confrontational. I will also be honest about saying “I don’t know.”
SNIP
What do we know about the new TYPE of vaccine being given?
Pfizer and Moderna were the first COVID-19 vaccines to be approved. Both use a new technology called mRNA vaccine, which has never been broadly given to a human population to prevent any disease.
Let that sink in for a moment.
All previous vaccines take a weakened virus or a piece of the virus and inject it into humans to induce an immune response sufficient to prevent a disease. Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines inject mRNA, which is a protein code that instructs the body to make a part of COVID-19’s spike protein that will then induce an immune response.
Our bodies daily use our own mRNA to carry instructions from DNA to make various proteins the body uses. While this new vaccine science sounds intriguing, it has never been tried in humans in this scope. It may be a breathtaking scientific advancement heralding a new path for all vaccines. It may also be less effective or have currently unknown side effects.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
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She contracted TB when she was a teenager during the Depression and almost died: it got into her bones and she lost all almost all her teeth. I kept getting tossed out of school when my TB tine tests showed positive because I picked up immunity in utero.
Two generations of vaccines and antibiotics and we've already forgotten how awful infectious diseases were.
Anesthesiologist? Expert on vaccines? People with superior expertise to you say the opposite of what you do.
Take it you want sport.
Whoa! Excellent point!
First, that’s total balogney, we are likely nearing herd immunity in the US right now - just look at the chart since Christmas. Second, his comment assumes the vaccines last for a long time, they may not. Third, that assumes 90% efficacy, which atm appears much lower. Lastly, it assumes the vaccines work well on the current new strands now and any future new strains.
Thank goodness we don’t have the same medical understanding and treatments from 90 years ago. And that is why I don’t worry about somethings today that were a death sentence in the middle ages.
But he already pointed out his superiority upthread. Amazing that this had to be explained to him...
How have you been able to obtain HCQ? I am wary of even bringing it up with my healthcare provider (a large corporation) for fear of being blacklisted politically.
....this is the first vaccine where there is serious talk about making it mandatory. A “vaccine passport” for example. Or a requirement to travel or even stay employed. That has a lot of people concerned. It is the masking requirement times ten....
I actually saw a post, here on FR, promoting this “passport”.
Unreal, some of the things we’re seeing pushed for, with this China Virus.
....this is the first vaccine where there is serious talk about making it mandatory. A “vaccine passport” for example. Or a requirement to travel or even stay employed. That has a lot of people concerned. It is the masking requirement times ten....
I actually saw a post, here on FR, promoting this “passport”.
Unreal, some of the things we’re seeing pushed for, with this China Virus.
NOW, you've done it...!
Son and daughter in law got covid last week. Late 30s. Both tested positive. She is one year out, double mastectomy, breast cancer survivor, chemo but not radiation. Extreme concern for her immune system. Two kids, both tested negative. I put them on to the EVMS protocol weeks ago, they bought the horse paste, they have been following it. With positive symptoms, everyone went on recommended 5 day dosing of horse paste.
Three - four days of typical relatively minor symptoms, loss of smell, foggy brain, head ache, pressure behind the eyes, flu like feeling. Now a week out, feeling much better, could go to work but in quarantine.
Did Ivermectin help them, possible save my daughter in law. Can't say for certain, but damn glad they had it.
Case No. 2 - my wife and I, both 68, good health, she a PA with extensive work in live and dead medicine (former chief of Medico-legal Death Investigations). She - opposed to the vaccine. Me - agree with all the reasoning that it is an experimental drug.
Last week we both got first shot of the Moderna. Why? Because 1) there is pretty good evidence it may keep us out of the hospital if we get covid. 2) May help us against the commie a-holes who want to restrict our freedom to travel. Mine was reason 1, her’s was reason 2.
Covid is a purposeful medical, social, and political disease. Don't let one facet of it overtake the real world impacts of the other facets. You have to weigh the pros and cons in a different way then you are use to doing.
Is that right? No. Is it fair? No. Does the government generally want you dead? Yes.
Well suck it up Buttercup and deal with it. Make your decision and leave anyone else’s the hell alone.
LOL! You blowed that right outta the water!!
HCQ AND Ivermectin??
You aren’t taking any chances! ;-)
As one who was married to "it", there was nothing, nothing whatsoever, that the doctor didn't know better about, including how to cook, how to sew, how to load the dishwasher, how to do what I did for a living, how to nurse an infant, you name it. He was a superior class of human— just ask him, or if he's unavailable (he usually was), ask his mother. I sure can pick 'em.
I suppose being a Guinea Pig is preferable. The propaganda has apparently worked across the board with a lot of people running to become test rabbits.
I am not convinced that messing with a basic part of my body, my DNA, is something I am prepared to do.
What are the consequences down the road? No-one knows.
YIKES! Have only had the experience of encountering that version of KnowItAllAndIWillTellYouMD while in my practice and would walk away thankful that I was not relying on them for anything...
KnowItAllAndIWillTellYouMD
The ARROGANCE and HUBRIS always sets them for fatal errors in judgment. AVOID LIKE THE BLACK PLAGUE!!!
“Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.”
You seem to believe that a human intellect is a standard issue, and all doctors have a superior one because they qualified in their field, however wide or narrow. That's faulty logic, when there are demonstrably better doctors than others. There is no law determining that the highest level of cognitively gifted individuals only become doctors, nor that there can be no other type of person capable of grasping the threat level in this novel situation. It's entirely possible for a well-informed lay person as well as an allied health professional to have a better grasp of their personal health risk of taking an experimental vaccine than a random doctor on the internet.
While your argument is true that MD programs require more training and experience than nursing in various defined areas, the problem here is the arrogant preening and chest-thumping by the very one who should be using clinical examples or citations to make his argument, instead of assertions of intrinsic superiority. The rest of us on the thread already know about the training levels and hence don't really care about it right now. What we want now is solid information about the virus and/or the vaccine, both pros and cons.
There is no chance on earth that these vaccines are going to be a benefit to every person who receives them. That's why adverse effects reporting and "pharmacovigilance" are standard practice in medical R&D. Ergo, there's no use in defending a doctor on an internet chat who is defending his ego around pushing vaccines unless you know him, know his ties to BigTech, BigMed or BigPharma, or why he is doing so.
I'm old enough to remember when back in the 60's it was standard medical practice to prescribe amphetamines for weight loss. There was certainly a lot of bad side-effects from that practice including drug addition.
This was also the very same time where the same professionals considered sugar to be just as good as any other food. "A calorie is a calorie". Turns out a sugar company lobby funded a Harvard study which pitched the idea of sugar is good and fat is bad. The study was little more than a combination of a bribe and PR wrapped up in an illusion of scientific study, but it became medical gospel for decades.
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