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Immunologist: Pfizer, Moderna Vaccines Could Cause Long-Term Chronic Illness
The Defender: Children's Health Defense ^ | 02/12/2021

Posted on 02/12/2021 8:47:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 02/12/2021 8:47:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

But you won’t get the sniffles and loss of smell.


2 posted on 02/12/2021 8:50:28 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: SeekAndFind

Every person has to make up their own mind about the vaccines.

I am not against vaccines, but I have decided to wait for the Johnson and Johnson (traditional vaccine) based on my own research.

I will not allow my children to be vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines until we better understand the long term results (especially my daughters).

I am glad that my parents have both received the mRNA vaccine because they are high risks from the virus.

Hope that makes sense, but I will not criticize the decision of any other person who has done their own research as long as it is not based on disinformation (a lot of that out there).


3 posted on 02/12/2021 8:52:58 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: SeekAndFind

it will, and no physician or surgeon is trained
in what is coming (”the Gates WHO Plan”).
Sterility, death, organ failure?

NO ONE CAN SUE
or even ask WTF have they done? <= the Plan


4 posted on 02/12/2021 8:53:14 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does the Johnson & Johnson vaccine have the mRNA problem??


5 posted on 02/12/2021 8:53:27 AM PST by RatRipper ( Democrats and socialists are vile liars, thieves and murderers - enemies of good and America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll take my chances with the vaccine rather than dying at a vent farm in a Walmart parking lot.


6 posted on 02/12/2021 8:53:31 AM PST by devane617 ('It's Only Donuts Ma'am')
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, because the injected messenger RNA particle turns off the action of Type 2 white blood cells.


7 posted on 02/12/2021 8:54:05 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys )
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“For decades, Classen has published papers exploring how vaccination can give rise to chronic conditions such as Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes — not right away, but three or four years down the road.”

Sounds good. Priming the pump for more pharma customers.


8 posted on 02/12/2021 9:05:47 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a notorius anti vax publication.

They oppose all vaccination.


9 posted on 02/12/2021 9:14:42 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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The J&J vaccine is not mRNA but it is not completely trad either. It joins the telltale spike of the COVID virus with an adenovirus. This is supposed to be close enough that your body will create antibodies against COVID.


10 posted on 02/12/2021 9:16:12 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not my current tagline.)
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RE: Does the Johnson & Johnson vaccine have the mRNA problem??

No. J&J uses is using an adenovirus to deliver the DNA which then gets made into mRNA which then makes the protein that our bodies will react to.

The United States doesn’t yet have an approved adenovirus vector vaccine, but the technology is not new, it’s been used at the University of Oxford and in an Ebola vaccine for years.


11 posted on 02/12/2021 9:17:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: volunbeer
but I will not criticize the decision of any other person who has done their own research

The problem is there is NO RESEARCH out there on the long term effects. Don't believe me, believe MODERNA, in their SEC filing:

Excerpt:

Most of our investigational medicines are formulated and administered in an LNP which may lead to systemic side effects related to the components of the LNP which may not have ever been tested in humans.,

Let that sink in.

12 posted on 02/12/2021 9:20:51 AM PST by BiglyCommentary
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I don’t disagree. It’s a new vaccine with a new vaccine technology. That is why I am opting to wait for the more traditional one-shot vaccine.

However, there are some pretty credible doctors out there detailing their reasons for and against these vaccines who do not appear to have a monetary or political interests. There have also been some well reasoned stuff published in Europe about these vaccines (pros and cons).

I won’t presume to tell others what to do. Each person has to look at their personal health and age and assess their own risks. For those in high risk groups (my parents) I think the benefits outweigh the known and potential risk. For those who are younger with no underlying conditions I think the negatives outweigh any potential benefit in the short-term until more data is available.


13 posted on 02/12/2021 9:29:20 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: SeekAndFind

To try and break down the delivery system of this chemical soup and the possible ramifications is pure conjecture,nothing more. A lot of wasted breathe and thought . We know that information and stats are skewed and politically/monetarily motivated. Personally I see the the drone like following and faith in drugs as a mistake . Is it not the medical establishment with our own American dollars that facilitated the “Point of Transfer” research...and now cash in even more with a questionable prevention method? Rather than fraudulent joey giving away masks we should demand that Thomas Paines most famous book be given to every being within our borders who can read. COMMON SENSE is taboo to those who enjoy subjugating their own fellow citizenry.


14 posted on 02/12/2021 9:30:45 AM PST by mythenjoseph
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ping


15 posted on 02/12/2021 9:30:49 AM PST by nutmeg (Mega prayers for Rush Limbaugh)
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To: SeekAndFind
I've made it through the worst of this “pandemic” and plan on continuing my present plan...I have doses of Ivermectin And Hydroxochloriphine waiting for use if I or my wife get infected. I don't trust my government or big pharm with my health!!!
16 posted on 02/12/2021 9:32:26 AM PST by ontap
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RE: .I have doses of Ivermectin And Hydroxochloriphine waiting for use if I or my wife get infected.

I’m surprised that you could find a doctor who will fill in a prescription for HCQ and Ivermectin for you.

Many doctors won’t do it for fear of incurring the ire of the FDA or the Health Departments of their state.


17 posted on 02/12/2021 9:34:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: volunbeer
What you say makes a lot of sense. There is no way in {censored} I'd get an experimental RNA based treatment. That's what these are after all, experimental.

I might get a traditional vaccine - in 8 or 10 years if there are no serious side effects that have come to light, and if a CV-19 vaccine is still needed. (which is very doubtful)

Like you said - everyone has to make their own choice. If you're more afraid of a over-hyped Chinese virus than you are of experimental RNA treatments, go for it. If you'd rather trust in your immune system and modern supportive care if needed, don't go for it. I won't say someone must or must not, I won't even say someone should or should not. But don't anyone try to tell me I must, or I should. My body, my choice.

18 posted on 02/12/2021 9:41:35 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this artical is even allowed or referenced on Google search, Twitter or Facebook, it will not stay up there long as it will be cancelled as disinformation.


19 posted on 02/12/2021 9:48:41 AM PST by CedarDave (With lockdowns & mandatory business closures, New Mexico is to Texas as E. Germany was to W. Germany)
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To: SeekAndFind

And then it might give me super powers!


20 posted on 02/12/2021 9:52:25 AM PST by arizonarick
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