A strong appeal to those who prophesied Trump’s reelection - Admit Your Error and Take Full Responsibility!

Christian Post ^ | 01/23/2021 | Michael Brown

[bella1]

He voted for him both times and he's right

[BiglyCommentary]

Yes there was a condition

No there absolutely was not. But feel free to point where it was in the exact word spoken:

"Thus says the Lord: Set your house in order, for you shall die, you shall not recover."

[RinaseaofDs]

So he allows that there was massive fraud, but somehow I have to take sole responsibility for the fact he isn’t President?

Logic escapes most people nowadays.

[StAnDeliver]

Can I point out two things, please: (1) the original poster of this obscene thread has abandoned you, and if he had any sense he would ask Jim to yank this thread, because I'm going to keep posting Michael Brown's screeching anti-Trump diatribes; and (2) I could care less about whatever you are asking me. Thanks.

• Jan. 27, 2016: "Are you, then, seriously endorsing Mr. Trump as a man following the example of Jesus?...One colleague wrote to me after learning of your endorsement, saying, "I just don't understand how a true Christian can so easily dismiss all this ... wife posed nude, married three times, nasty, crude, cruel, proud, dishonest, manipulative, casino owner and promoter, bankrupted several companies, 'hates' abortion but agrees to make it legal, gutter mouth...Mr. Falwell, in light of Mr. Trump's attacks on those he happens to dislike at the moment — be it Megyn Kelly or Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush or Rosie O'Donnell — attacks in which he behaves more like a spoiled, petulant child than a presidential candidate, how you can point to his Christ-like character?...Donald Trump is hardly the man to address America's moral demise!...From my vantage point, you and other evangelicals seem to have put nationalism first, and that is what deeply concerns me."

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• Jan. 18, 2016: "Trump's insults this year have gotten even worse, to the point of him calling Hillary's bathroom break during a presidential debate "disgusting." And that is only the tip of the iceberg...Trump is also renting out a theater in Iowa so voters can see the new movie "13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi" for free. According to a Trump spokesperson, "Mr. Trump would like all Americans to know the truth about what happened at Benghazi."

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• Jan. 19, 2016: "As someone born and raised in New York, and as a supporter of Ted Cruz for president, I took great interest in the exchange between Donald Trump and Senator Cruz on the subject of "New York values" during last week's presidential debate...there is a backlash from some New Yorkers against Trump, claiming he has actually done nothing to help the first responders to 9/11"

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• Mar. 7, 2016: "But, my dear brother, do you honestly believe that those who could not in good conscience vote for Trump, should he be the Republican nominee, must be acting on pride rather than principle? To the contrary, it is principle that drives many of those in the #NeverTrump camp. Consider, for example, the words of Christian attorney (and Iraq Bronze Star veteran) David French..."There are those who say that the #NeverTrump crew should 'get a life,' but we are opposed to Trump because of our lives...There are many other Christians who feel just as French does, who cannot imagine pushing the button or pulling the lever in support of Trump, a man who has managed to bring the Republican party to all-time lows and who has made a mockery of the campaign process...we would feel like we were selling our souls to help a man like Trump become the representative of our nation. And we feel this way not so much because of who Trump was in the past but because of who he is today...This is the man who thundered at one debate, "Bush lied!" (about WMD's in Iraq) – an ugly, unfounded accusation – only to mollify his statement within hours...And what about potential damage could Trump cause as president? Could he lead us into a needless war? ...Even if Trump did secure the Republican nomination, some would still argue against voting for him based on both principle and pragmatism...In contrast, it could be that a President Trump (which is still hard for me to wrap my mind around) would be the ultimate compromiser and dealmaker, just adding to the current morass...In other words, a Hillary victory, as much as I deplore the thought and could not under any circumstance vote for her, could be the final straw that breaks the back of American Christian complacency, leading to an awakening."

[Fido969]

The word to Hezekiah came from the Lord to Isaiah, we're told that. And what is interesting is that the Lord changed his own mind. (There's a theological quandary for you. Something to keep the Bible study group talking way past the end of the meeting time.)

There are certainly instances where we're told the Lord changed his mind. Usually for the good of those who plead for mercy.

Now, is someone going to suggest that: (1) The Lord determined the Trump would be inaugurated on Jan 20, 2021, (2) told his prophets to spread the word, then (3) changed his mind?

[georgiegirl]

“that if Trump would repent of his pride..” Hmmm.. What happened to the scripture about looking for the splinter in a brother’s eye when one has a log in his own.

[GBA]

I try to imagine how God judges US, citizens and nation, both.

I think about what all we do to our neighbors around the world with all we send to them, via the airways and the internet, from Hollywood, our sports, music and other entertainment, along with our politicians and the strings that come attached to the ‘help’ we offer them.

And then I wonder who is the real Whore of Babylon spoken of in Revelation.

How bad do you have to be to qualify? I think we can beat ‘em.

[Magnum44]

Thank you for saving me the trouble of saying exactly that.

[Olog-hai]

If there was no condition, then God would not have rescinded the prophecy in spite of Hezekiah’s prayer. But as Isaiah 38:4-5 says:

Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying: / “Go, and say to Hezekiah, ‘Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.’” …

Clearly a different prophecy from the former, which was rescinded.

[piusv]

Yeah, I didn’t read all of the posts in this thread, but for those that I did read all I could think was “Did these folks read the same article I did?”

[metmom]

The problem with the prophecies I read was that they predicted he would win in a landslide in 2020 (which I do really believe he actually did in an honestly counted election) AND would serve that second term, which he isn’t.

When they say *and* then it doesn’t leave it open to claiming the prophecies were fulfilled simply because he won the actual votes.

[BiglyCommentary]

You’re obfuscating the point being made, i.e. that you just can’t spout Det. 18 as some hard and fast rule, when you have no clue if God Himself set a undeclared (by the prophet) condition that would make the word not come to pass.

In Jeremiah 18, God explicitly says He may tell a prophet to declare something, and then He may change his mind on what was declared.

[Olog-hai]

There are several places where God changes His mind; He offers humanity a choice several times. One poignant event was where He told Moses that He would destroy all of the Israelites for the sin of the golden calf and instead make Moses the new patriarch of “a great nation” (Exodus 32:10). Moses prayed to God directly to spare Israel in verses 11, 12 and 13, with verse 14 making it plain that God accepted Moses’ entreaties.

I don’t recall hearing/reading any specific prophecies that Trump would be inaugurated on January 20, 2021; I’m sure some are out there notwithstanding, and those are obviously false.

[Olog-hai]

Well, if the prediction was that Trump would serve that term according to the schedule determined by humans (particularly modern legislation apart from the Constitution), that certainly is false. I’m still in wait-and-see mode as to how long the usurper administration will stand.

[Olog-hai]

True, but Isaiah 38:1-5 does not contradict Deuteronomy 18:22.

And there are several false prophets listed in Jeremiah, receiving rather gruesome punishments for their presumptuousness.

[BiglyCommentary]

He told Moses that He would destroy all of the Israelites

That one doesn't fit because it was not a prophet telling the Israelites that.

No one can seriously contest that Jonah was a true prophet, giving a true prophetic word to the City of Nineveh when he prophesied: "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.". No conditionality in that word, NONE, ZERO. Nineveh WAS NOT OVERTHROWN IN 40 DAYS, the prophecy DID NOT come to pass. Should Jonah be stoned to death? Was he a false prophet?

Don't mistake understand my point here. It IS NOT that many of these election words were not false, just that I'm not so quick to flail away with the stones, knowing God can change his mind and there may be unspoken conditions we just don't know of.

[Olog-hai]

God Himself is not a prophet?

And in a sense, it is a prophet relating this to us, given that Moses is the titular author of Exodus.

But that doesn’t contradict what you’re pointing out; it actually agrees.

[BiglyCommentary]

It sure does. "nor come to pass." There is no ambiguity in that.

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken

[Olog-hai]

No contradiction, in the case when God’s word is recorded as “I was going to, but now I will not and will do this instead”, demonstrating His free will. This has to do with things that God never said in the first place.

[BiglyCommentary]

God Himself is not a prophet?

We are talking about judging human prophets. If you want to include God and debate whether he can give false words then all I can say is "Good luck with that...