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To: outinyellowdogcountry; Miss Didi; boxlunch; reed13k; xone

Those church rites where God’s promise of forgiveness is attached to (in, with and under) the giving of everyday elements and His Word.

Baptism, Water and Word - absolution is given
Sacrament of the Altar, Bread and Wine and the Word (Holy Consecration)- absolution is given
Confession and Absolution, Pastor and penitent - absolution is given

The third is a somewhat modern convention while others say it is as old as the Church Fathers.
The use of the pastor as an “everyday element of creation” is hotly debated.
I tend to look on C&A as a work done by God on my conscience.
I do see it as a Sacrament.

Oh, and xone sent the correct answer via PM.
I knew he would get it right away.


1,398 posted on 12/31/2020 3:30:26 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (If there be WAR in the offing, let it begin HERE. With ME.)
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To: rwfok

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1,399 posted on 12/31/2020 3:38:36 PM PST by rwfok (Nothing can stop what is coming. Nothing!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

My Lutheran Church does not practice confession so I’m believing you might be an Evangelical Lutheran? I know communion is also practiced differently. We ( Missouri Synod Lutherans) offer the chalice and individual cups as a choice for congregants but I believe Evangelical Lutherans strictly offer only the chalice. Is that your understanding?


1,534 posted on 12/31/2020 7:48:30 PM PST by Eurydice
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“Lutheran Sacraments”

Melanchthon’s definition in the Apology of the Augsburg Confession Article XIII: “The number genuine sacraments, therefore, are Baptism, the Lords Supper, and absolution (which is the sacrament of penitence), for these rites have the commandment of God and the promise of grace, which is the heart of the New Testament.”

Here there is no “everyday element of creation” required or mentioned in the definition.


1,539 posted on 12/31/2020 7:58:11 PM PST by rightsmart
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