To: fr_freak
"Even the CDC admitted that, back when we had a supposed death total of 250,000 people, less than 10,000 of those deaths were from "COVID only". The rest were death from something else with COVID present (or assumed to be present). If we were to use THAT figure, the number of COVID deaths per case would drop nearly to insignificance. "Incorrect.
What the CDC stated was that 6% of COVID-19 death certificates only listed COVID-19 on the death certificate. The US Standard Certificate of Death (seen here) has 4 lines in Section 32 Part 1, where you're supposed to list chain of events leading directly to death beginning with the underlying cause of death (UCOD) and ending with the immediate cause of death. Further, Part II should list any conditions which complicated survival, but which were not part of the chain of events leading directly to death.
COVID-19 generally causes death by sandblasting the epithelial cells of the lungs, leading to secondary opportunistic infection (often pneumonia) or by causing blood clots that lead to stroke and/or heart attack. The CDC's "Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)" (seen here) specifically requires anyone putting COVID-19 on a death certificate to fill out the full chain of events in Section 32 Part 1 and to fill out Part II with other contributing conditions.
In other words, that 6% number where the only thing listed on the death certificate was COVID-19? That should be 0%. CDC was calling out those filling out the death certificates for being lazy and/or stupid about it and not following the guidance.
Fact is, someone who's had diabetes for 30 years who gets COVID-19 and dies 2 weeks later of lung failure didn't die because of diabetes. Someone who's lived with hypertension for 20 years and dies within 2 weeks of contracting COVID-19 because of massive pneumonia infection didn't die of hypertension. By claiming the 6% nonsense, you're saying they did.
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"tests that find Coca-Cola COVID positive"
Sure, if one screws up the test and uses it completely incorrectly, one can get all manner of inaccurate results. The tests are certified to work under specific controls. Throw those out the window and the test isn't reliable. It doesn't mean anything about the reliability of the test when performed properly.
My thermometer tells me if I have a fever. If I hold it up against a light bulb and exclaim "HA! This thing thinks my light bulb has a fever!", that doesn't mean there's something wrong with my thermometer. It means there's something wrong with me.
"What we DO know is that the number of total deaths for the USA for 2020 so far is significantly less than previous years, by arround half a million or so."
False. We've had excess deaths every single week since March.

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12/17/2020 5:12:19 AM PST by
2aProtectsTheRest
(The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
To: 2aProtectsTheRest
LOL - where did you get that graph? Instead of linking to a CDC graph while you’re quoting supposed CDC stats, you post an image from nowhere? How in the world would we know that it isn’t just some photoshopped nonsense you made up?
I’ll deal with the rest of your “argument” later.
To: 2aProtectsTheRest
Incorrect.
My ass it's incorrect.
What the CDC stated was that 6% of COVID-19 death certificates only listed COVID-19 on the death certificate. The US Standard Certificate of Death (seen here) has 4 lines in Section 32 Part 1, where you're supposed to list chain of events...[yada yada yada]...
Here's a quote from your vaunted CDC doc:
"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID-19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely...it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed'. In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID-19 infection was likely."
Bravo. Nothing like "science" am I right? Why the hell would a definite diagnosis of the "great plague of 2020" not be possible? Eh? Supposedly a vaccine for this freaking thing can be made within a year, but we can't definitively diagnose the presence of the disease that we're trying to vaccinate against? Perhaps more importantly, why would the CDC be so lenient in allowing diagnoses of this great plague when incorrect diagnosis can have such a dire effect?
In other words, that 6% number where the only thing listed on the death certificate was COVID-19? That should be 0%. CDC was calling out those filling out the death certificates for being lazy and/or stupid about it and not following the guidance.
There exists nothing in the aforementioned literature to suggest this, so I am forced to conclude that you retrieved this concluson from your own posterior. One might be tempted to reflexively assign to you the assumption of telepathic ability, such that you see well into the deep cerebral recesses of the writers of this obfuscatory CDC tripe, but I am not so inclined.
Fact is, someone who's had diabetes for 30 years who gets COVID-19 and dies 2 weeks later of lung failure didn't die because of diabetes.
Sure, and someone who has had diabetes for 30 years and finally reaches his natural conclusion, upsetting as that may be, and, as a result of his lack of acceptance of said conclusion, dials 911 and is brought into the hospital, would then be exposed to the unfortunate plethora of raw humanity therein, replete with its teeming infirmities, and might, within minutes, newly find himself the host of the very same virus that he had previously successfully avoided. In the event that said newly introduced virus does not have the capacity to neutralize the reduced circulatory capacity nor impeded circulatory pathway of the aforementioned unfortunately short-lived individual, that individual will die of the very same cause that he would have died from in the non-COVID era, but now accompanied by the presence of the greatly-debated corona virus. Did the corona virus kill him? Clearly not, but it will, for damn sure, be on his f***king death certificate.
More info is here
Not really, no.
To: 2aProtectsTheRest
"tests that find Coca-Cola COVID positive"
Sure, if one screws up the test and uses it completely incorrectly, one can get all manner of inaccurate results. The tests are certified to work under specific controls. Throw those out the window and the test isn't reliable. It doesn't mean anything about the reliability of the test when performed properly.
My thermometer tells me if I have a fever. If I hold it up against a light bulb [etc etc strawmen yada yada].
Let's say we have a disease that supposedly threatens millions of lives within the next year. One of the ways in which we hope to stave off that horrible, unfathomable result is by tracking the disease properly, so we can both treat it and prevent it from spreading. So we come up with a testing process, upon which, perhaps, the survival of the human race depends (given the extremity of the actions taken to suppress this supposed disease, in the form of lockdowns, universal masks, etc one must conclude this is akin to an extinction event).
Then, lo and behold, we find that the accepted testing process yields a positive result for f***king Coca-Cola, or yields a positive result for a globally-known entrepreneur 50% of the time, and a negative one for the other 50%, and other such anomalies. Are we going to be content with saying, "Oh, I guess the test was used incorrectly." or, as I suspect, would we be saying "What the F**K!!!! Why the hell aren't there iron-clad, unambiguous, titanium-rigid guidelines for performing this test, so that, in our hour of potential extinction, we don't misreport every g**damned result we test for?"
Or, perhaps put another way, when the threshhold for PCR tests is 35 cycles, and people are testing for COVID at 45 cycles and thusly are receiving false results routinely, the problem isn't with the test being used incorrectly - it is with the test being deliberately MISUSED to achieve a result that a proper test could not provide.
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