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To: 2aProtectsTheRest; rarestia
IFR is 0.65%, so survivability across the population is 99.35%. R0 is 2.5. HIT is 1-1/R0 or 60%. US population is 330 million. 60% of that is 198 million. 0.65% of 198 million is ~1.3 million dead.

Most of the data surrounding the whole COVID thing is suspect. Even the CDC admitted that, back when we had a supposed death total of 250,000 people, less than 10,000 of those deaths were from "COVID only". The rest were death from something else with COVID present (or assumed to be present). If we were to use THAT figure, the number of COVID deaths per case would drop nearly to insignificance.

The suspect numbers that you keep throwing out to bolster your COVID advocacy assume that we have at least two well-defined, accurate quantities: 1) the number of cases of COVID in the US, 2) the number of deaths caused by COVID that would not have occurred if COVID were not present.

And you know what? We don't have anything close to accurate data on either one of those things.

We can't know the real number of COVID cases in the US, either past or present, unless we test everybody with ACCURATE testing methods (as opposed to tests that return greater than 50% false results, including tests that find Coca-Cola COVID positive) AND we test everyone.

We can't know the real number of COVID-caused deaths because everyone keeps fudging the numbers. What we DO know is that the number of total deaths for the USA for 2020 so far is significantly less than previous years, by arround half a million or so.

Isn't it strange that, in a year of a supposed pandemic, we not only don't see an increase in total deaths in the US, we have actually seen a bit of a DECREASE.

Garbage in, Garbage out. If your numbers were in any way accurate, we would already be seeing mass death. If your IFR number of .65% were correct or significant, after 10 months, we would already have seen at least 1.08 million of those 1.3 million deaths, especially since one could reasonably expect the deaths to be front-loaded in a pandemic of an unknown corona virus that supposedly began in January. Even if we accept the BS numbers that are making the rounds now, we have only seen 300,000.

Your numbers are suppositional BS designed to stoke fear.
86 posted on 12/17/2020 4:54:17 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
"Even the CDC admitted that, back when we had a supposed death total of 250,000 people, less than 10,000 of those deaths were from "COVID only". The rest were death from something else with COVID present (or assumed to be present). If we were to use THAT figure, the number of COVID deaths per case would drop nearly to insignificance. "

Incorrect.

What the CDC stated was that 6% of COVID-19 death certificates only listed COVID-19 on the death certificate. The US Standard Certificate of Death (seen here) has 4 lines in Section 32 Part 1, where you're supposed to list chain of events leading directly to death beginning with the underlying cause of death (UCOD) and ending with the immediate cause of death. Further, Part II should list any conditions which complicated survival, but which were not part of the chain of events leading directly to death.

COVID-19 generally causes death by sandblasting the epithelial cells of the lungs, leading to secondary opportunistic infection (often pneumonia) or by causing blood clots that lead to stroke and/or heart attack. The CDC's "Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)" (seen here) specifically requires anyone putting COVID-19 on a death certificate to fill out the full chain of events in Section 32 Part 1 and to fill out Part II with other contributing conditions.

In other words, that 6% number where the only thing listed on the death certificate was COVID-19? That should be 0%. CDC was calling out those filling out the death certificates for being lazy and/or stupid about it and not following the guidance.

Fact is, someone who's had diabetes for 30 years who gets COVID-19 and dies 2 weeks later of lung failure didn't die because of diabetes. Someone who's lived with hypertension for 20 years and dies within 2 weeks of contracting COVID-19 because of massive pneumonia infection didn't die of hypertension. By claiming the 6% nonsense, you're saying they did.

More info is here

"tests that find Coca-Cola COVID positive"

Sure, if one screws up the test and uses it completely incorrectly, one can get all manner of inaccurate results. The tests are certified to work under specific controls. Throw those out the window and the test isn't reliable. It doesn't mean anything about the reliability of the test when performed properly.

My thermometer tells me if I have a fever. If I hold it up against a light bulb and exclaim "HA! This thing thinks my light bulb has a fever!", that doesn't mean there's something wrong with my thermometer. It means there's something wrong with me.

"What we DO know is that the number of total deaths for the USA for 2020 so far is significantly less than previous years, by arround half a million or so."

False. We've had excess deaths every single week since March.

More evidence in this post

94 posted on 12/17/2020 5:12:19 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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