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To: rarestia
"This is a virus with 99.97% survivability for a majority of the population."

IFR is 0.65%, so survivability across the population is 99.35%. R0 is 2.5. HIT is 1-1/R0 or 60%. US population is 330 million. 60% of that is 198 million. 0.65% of 198 million is ~1.3 million dead.

There's a reason President Trump has been pushing this since April. He knew then what the toll would be if nothing was done. So he did the best thing he could do: worked to ensure safe and effective vaccines entered the marketplace ASAP; faster than ever before in history.

"You’re not asking me to inoculate against measles, mumps, rubella, polio, hepatitis, etc. I see no point being injected with something that my immune system can fight off itself and with better results."

Talk with doctors actually dealing with COVID-19 patients. It's not all old and sick people. Young and healthy people - while the exception rather than the rule - are also getting deathly ill from this. And there's ample evidence from the Stanford study to support that your immune system will produce better results on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines than it will with getting infected with the actual disease.

"I don’t normally subscribe to conspiracy theories"

Okay, then why start now? Conspiracy theories are born when people jump to conclusions, then retroactively construct a house of cards of random bits of information with no context strung together into a tapestry of confirmation bias. They serve no useful purpose. They're a distraction from real issues right in front of us.

32 posted on 12/17/2020 3:19:30 AM PST by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

6 nurses and 2 doctors in my family, and the resounding assessment is that this is overblown hype. I’m a healthy man in my 40s. I’m not getting the God damned vaccine. Shove your high and mighty attitude up your skirt.


33 posted on 12/17/2020 3:25:47 AM PST by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
IFR is 0.65%, so survivability across the population is 99.35%. R0 is 2.5. HIT is 1-1/R0 or 60%.

Could you refresh the definitions of IFR, RO, HIT, and 1-1/R0. I bet 99.35% of us can define all of them.

Thanks.

52 posted on 12/17/2020 3:59:11 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Die-ggl,TWT,FCBK,NYT,WPo,Hwd,CNN,NFL,BLM,CAIR,Antf,SPLC,ESPN,NPR,NBA,ARP,MSNBC )
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest; rarestia
IFR is 0.65%, so survivability across the population is 99.35%. R0 is 2.5. HIT is 1-1/R0 or 60%. US population is 330 million. 60% of that is 198 million. 0.65% of 198 million is ~1.3 million dead.

Most of the data surrounding the whole COVID thing is suspect. Even the CDC admitted that, back when we had a supposed death total of 250,000 people, less than 10,000 of those deaths were from "COVID only". The rest were death from something else with COVID present (or assumed to be present). If we were to use THAT figure, the number of COVID deaths per case would drop nearly to insignificance.

The suspect numbers that you keep throwing out to bolster your COVID advocacy assume that we have at least two well-defined, accurate quantities: 1) the number of cases of COVID in the US, 2) the number of deaths caused by COVID that would not have occurred if COVID were not present.

And you know what? We don't have anything close to accurate data on either one of those things.

We can't know the real number of COVID cases in the US, either past or present, unless we test everybody with ACCURATE testing methods (as opposed to tests that return greater than 50% false results, including tests that find Coca-Cola COVID positive) AND we test everyone.

We can't know the real number of COVID-caused deaths because everyone keeps fudging the numbers. What we DO know is that the number of total deaths for the USA for 2020 so far is significantly less than previous years, by arround half a million or so.

Isn't it strange that, in a year of a supposed pandemic, we not only don't see an increase in total deaths in the US, we have actually seen a bit of a DECREASE.

Garbage in, Garbage out. If your numbers were in any way accurate, we would already be seeing mass death. If your IFR number of .65% were correct or significant, after 10 months, we would already have seen at least 1.08 million of those 1.3 million deaths, especially since one could reasonably expect the deaths to be front-loaded in a pandemic of an unknown corona virus that supposedly began in January. Even if we accept the BS numbers that are making the rounds now, we have only seen 300,000.

Your numbers are suppositional BS designed to stoke fear.
86 posted on 12/17/2020 4:54:17 AM PST by fr_freak
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