Was the Vaccine always the plan? (vanity)

Actually, we now know that most poliovirus infections are asymptomatic, and flaccid paralysis or death occurs in less than 1% of those infected with poliovirus.

1% of infected experiencing paralysis or death is still almost twice as high as they CLAIM COVID causes, and the reported claims for COVID deaths are about as reliable as the current presidential vote totals.

Also, remind me: did we have country-wide lockdowns and mask mandates for polio? I can't remember.

Boy they are moving fast Madman

Interesting times upon US.

Because it has not0 been tested long enough to learn if it is safe or not.

Also, remind me: did we have country-wide lockdowns and mask mandates for polio?

You were posting about vaccines. Now the goalpost is lockdowns? Got it. The worst year for poliovirus in the USA was about 3200 deaths. That was a YEAR. We have had DAYS with almost that many deaths. That said, I am mostly ignoring lockdowns, though I am trying to keep away from elderly and high risk people.

If we had concentrated on personal responsibility and protecting the most vulnerable, we could have done much better without lockdowns and the associated economic catastrophe.

You were posting about vaccines. Now the goalpost is lockdowns? Got it.

Yeah, we were all talking about vaccines. Then you made a comment about why COVID should be different from any other vaccine, so I made a comment about how polio and tetanus were actual diseases to be taken seriously, to which you replied but but but polio stats are just like COVID's, to which I replied yeah but did we lockdown and mandate masks (thus demonstrating the stark difference between our responses to the two, which was an allusion to the hysteria-driven nature of the push for vaccines, with the assumption that the reader was capable of understanding such allusions).

Is that enough of a sumary to jog your memory, smartass?

If I accepted the numbers coming out of the powers-that-be about COVID, I suppose I'd be hiding in my cellar in hazmat suit. I don't accept them, any more than I accept the "official" vote tallies for the presidential election. Even the CDC admitted a while back that less than 10,000 of the 250,000 or so (at the time) deaths attributed to COVID were "COVID only" as opposed to "heart attack and COVID" or "bullet in the head and COVID". Meanwhile, various levels of government and health organizations have been periodically saying "Whoopsie - we misreported" such as those fine folks down in Texas who said "Oops we meant 9,000 cases, not 90,000".

With that kind of unreliability in reporting, and the propensity for straight-up BS, we can not possibly know the real number of cases or deaths associated with this virus. The real number may very well be 10. So screw their experimental vaccines.

My comments have strictly stayed with the facts. No smart ass comments, no support of hysteria, fear or lockdowns, just facts. You are the one to compare Polio to COVID. I’m just pointing out facts.

If you think it’s all a hoax or a conspiracy, well then, carry on.

"Because polio and tetanus are real diseases. This COVID thing is bullsh!t."

Funny. My wife's mother and brother have been seriously ill for a month and her uncle just died from this BS disease.

Funny. My wife's mother and brother have been seriously ill for a month and her uncle just died from this BS disease.

Assuming this is true (and you'll have to forgive me for not automatically taking as gospel everything I read from anonymous people on the internet), then condolences, but you and your family are a statistical anomaly. I have known of several people and two entire families who have tested positive for this, and the worst symptoms reported were basically a bad cold.

More importantly, I currently live in an area with a huge homeless population and there has been exactly ZERO deaths among these people that I know of (My work is such that I would probably have at least heard about it if any had died). Drug addicts, drunks, and crazy people, most of them. And the hospitals have been ghost towns.

"Assuming this is true (and you'll have to forgive me for not automatically taking as gospel everything I read from anonymous people on the internet), then condolences,..."

Understood. But it is absolutely true.

"... but you and your family are a statistical anomaly. I have known of several people and two entire families who have tested positive for this, and the worst symptoms reported were basically a bad cold."

Which is to be expected. We know that. Most people have mild cases. But it's not a statistical anomaly for some to have serious cases, and some to die.

People have a hard time understanding numbers. With a survival rate of 0.5%, that means if 100 million Americans get this then 500,000 people will die from it. Dismissing it for the 0.5% is missing the point.

It's not even just how many die. On average, people are sick with this a lot longer than they are with the regular flu. And it still seems to be more contagious. If allowed to spread rapidly that means a large number of people very ill at the same time. Again, death rate isn't everything.

There's a lot to take issue with. I'm not saying mandatory shut-downs are good policy, or that strong restraints have come at the right time, or even that we must structure our society to avoid hospital overruns. But it's still a fact, as at has been all along, that if this disease does spread rapidly through the full population there will be some serious consequences. We're still at the point where a small part of the population has contracted. Uncontrolled, that's just the beginning. All we've done is slow it down.

With a survival rate of 0.5%, that means if 100 million Americans get this then 500,000 people will die from it...On average, people are sick with this a lot longer than they are with the regular flu. And it still seems to be more contagious.

It seems to me that our difference in viewpoints is due primarily to one thing: you accept the numbers that are being broadcast as true, and I don't. When they say that 250,000 people (or whatever the current BS number is now) have died from COVID in the USA, I don't believe them. Apparently, you do.

The parallel between what's going on with the presidential election currently and the COVID reporting is almost perfect, and that is no coincidence; the "data" regarding both things is coming from the same group of people. With the election, at this point, even if we don't know the exact "real" vote totals, we have seen enough demonstrated voting irregularities to know that the election was tampered with, and therefore cannot be trusted and is invalid.

Likewise, with the COVID reporting, we have seen enough "mistakes", misinformation and outright lies that we MUST assume that the COVID reporting has been tainted purposely, and therefore we cannot trust a SINGLE THING that is reported regarding this virus. Once you stop trusting the hysterical reporting from the mainstream media, and start evaluating the situation using your own eyes and experience, you are forced to ask "Is this all BS?"

Examples of the untrustworthiness of the COVID reporting:

1) CDC admitting that out of the 250,000 death figure for the USA, less than 10,000 were death ONLY by COVID, rather than COVID and, say, heart disease.

2) PCR tests with 50% (or more) error rates 3) single positive tests being counted multiple times, e.g. a person tests positive, recorded as 1 positive, then retests a day later, comes up positive, now there are 2 recorded positive tests.

4) news reporting breathlessly that hospitals are overflowing, when they are clearly EMPTY

5) the municipality in Texas that reported 90,000 cases and later said "oops, we meant 9,000 cases"

There are plenty more examples of reporting behaviors that go well past irregular and solidly into either incompetent or fraudulent categories. In light of that much unreliability, we simply CANNOT trust the data we are being given by the mainstream media, nor by any politicized civil or health organization which, in these times, is damn near all of them.