we pro trump people believe that trump won the election.
likewise, many pro biden people are likely to believe or at least claim that biden won the election.
this might well remain a stalemate since the ballot envelopes were in many cases separated from ballots, and so forth, forever obscuring who the real winners were, at least from a judicial point of view (preponderance of evidence, avoiding statistical arguments). it is a logical brick wall.
when neither party can determine with certainty the truth of the matter beyond their own feelings and a random assortment of inconclusive indicators pointing in different directions, some form of re-vote may be called for to resolve the contest.
biden, the nominal winner on paper at this point, might cry foul with some legitimacy since a re-vote is to some degree a second bite of the apple. so biden could be appeased by some offering from trump— a concession. the only concession i can think of is for trump to relinquish his current claim to the presidency. trump could however then turn around and ask biden to do the same in the spirit of fair play. to be fair, in the ideal at least, biden should agree to that. they both could in a sense rise above their personal ambitions for the good of the country. both stepping aside would then clear the field for a pence-harris contest. pence-harris for expediency to save time. pence and harris would be allowed to choose their VPs in accelerated respective party procedures.
so a lot of this is using the principle of reciprocity in negotiation to forestall worse mutually agreed upon as worse outcomes if an agreement is not reached.
harris not being top tier works to the pro trump camp’s favor. she is flat out unpopular in her own party.
i wonder about biden’s cabinet choices. most people of honor should in theory avoid signing onto committing to a biden cabinet. it is equivalent to signing onto an illegitimate agreement. i wonder if he is having to settle for less than top tier talent for his cabinet.
SteveH
we pro trump people believe that trump won the election.
likewise, many pro biden people are likely to believe or at least claim that biden won the election.
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Ransomnote: We can’t have our own realities and live by our own personal separate realities, although the Dems have tried to do that since Trump won in 2016.
We can’t determine the outcome of an election based on preferred beliefs. Courts, evidence and testimony are needed to prove which camp has sufficient evidence to prove their position (Trump, because he won about 3 out of every 4 votes, and his vote count matches observed reality leading up to Election day).
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SteveH
this might well remain a stalemate since the ballot envelopes were in many cases separated from ballots, and so forth, forever obscuring who the real winners were, at least from a judicial point of view (preponderance of evidence, avoiding statistical arguments). it is a logical brick wall.
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ransomnote
Why are you employing the MSM/Left tactic of purposefully ignoring videos, witness testimony, collected evidence, analysis including support documents re Dominion software, expert testimony, etc. All that and you want to limit this discussion to missing envelopes?
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SteveH
when neither party can determine with certainty the truth of the matter beyond their own feelings and a random assortment of inconclusive indicators pointing in different directions, some form of re-vote may be called for to resolve the contest.
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Ransomnote
No. We can just reference mountains of objective evidence gathered from many, many different sources and types.
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SteveH
biden, the nominal winner on paper at this point, might cry foul with some legitimacy since a re-vote is to some degree a second bite of the apple. so biden could be appeased by some offering from trump— a concession. the only concession i can think of is for trump to relinquish his current claim to the presidency.
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Ransomnote
Only China and the MSM really are invested in falsely portraying Biden the winner and that’s because the MSM is falsely claiming the right to ‘call’ the winner. 3/4 of voters did not vote for Biden.
Trump won’t concede an election in a race he won with overwhelming majority and he won’t concede our country to traitors who will kill/enslave us.
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SteveH
trump could however then turn around and ask biden to do the same in the spirit of fair play.
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ransomnote
Biden stole the election - he bragged about stealing the election. Biden doesn’t “do” fair play - he’s actively undermining the will of the overwhelming majority.
Biden is trying to hand AMerica to China (coup). China owns the Biden family and would never allow its puppets do engage in fair play. This is war.
This is war and you don’t know it or are choosing not to admit it. You then suggest we submit to those who want to kill us, but do so in the name of ‘fair play’.
There’s no pointing my responding to the rest of your bizarre post.