1. There has been a re-vote in this thread looking at who liked your idea and who did not. From the posts I would say you lost. So do the gentlemanly thing and let it go.
2. If this election stands as called by the media, then we have witnessed the death of democratic government and freedom in our country here in 2020. We don't get it back by compromise.
3. There are things more important than peace. Concepts and ideas that are worth fighting for. The Treaty of Munich and the Iranian Treaty have taught us that talking with some people just does not get the job done. Slavery to a master is not peace. The absence of conflict is not peace.
4. This needs to get fixed hopefully through the constitutional process that is still available. But regardless, it needs to get fixed.
> There has been a re-vote in this thread looking at who liked your idea and who did not. From the posts I would say you lost.
I did not put it up for a vote. I put it up to place the idea in circulation and spark discussion.
There are now over 140 responses. I do not perceive that I “lost.”
War can be a resort but every peaceful alternative is at least worthy of consideration. People are advocating war here in a very casual manner. I put forth an idea that I have never seen discussed. It happens to be an attempt at a peaceful resolution. I freely admit it does not give pro trump advocates everything they want but that is negotiation. Neither does it give anti trump advocates everything they want but that is negotiation.
Again, the premises are
war is very bad
peace is good
attempts at negotiation are better than war without negotiation
finding a peaceful resolution acceptable (not perfect) to both sides is better than war
hindsight is rather useless once a war starts
here is an idea for you. i put forth a peaceful negotiated solution. you say it’s unacceptable, therefore war unless trump wins. perhaps you can figure out a better negotiated peaceful settlement if you do not like mine.
it is difficult for me to imagine that most people in this discussion demanding an unconditional trump win or else war being remotely prepared for an actual shooting war. ok. i think of most of you as armchair infantry. i think most people who have actually been in a war or who have studied or prepared for war do not talk about advocating war without at least gathering and considering all peaceful alternatives. i am not anti war (i think that misunderstanding might explain some if not most pushback here) but the rush among so many to advocate war implies to me that most of the pro war advocates do not know the implications and are not seriously thinking things through.
in every war there are winners and losers. therefore, everyone should go to war hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst.