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45 years ago tonight: the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgI8bta-7aw ^ | November 10, 2020

Posted on 11/10/2020 6:38:17 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain

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To: crz

You nailed it.
She “shoaled...”


121 posted on 11/11/2020 4:58:04 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: F450-V10

I erved as general manager of a fueling business in Duluth-Superior for 16 years.
We operated an eight thousand bbl, 149 foot fueling tanker, MV Reiss Marine in the harbor.
Our captain, Dick McClain, had put fuel on the Ed Fitz on her last day in port. He told the following story:

The Fitzgerald’s cook became ill the day the boat arrived in port and the local union hall sent over a replacement cook. According to Dick, the new cook had a odd outlook on his own future, saying he thought the next trip might be his last.

It was.


122 posted on 11/11/2020 6:22:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

https://shiva4senate.com/election-fraud/

In many of the voting machines, they receive an image of the handwritten ballot and then count the image.

Technically, the image must preserved as it is the ballot, the item which is counted in the election process.

Verify the safekeeping of the ballots (the images) from the machines.

Some of the machines and counting software were intended for a larger election audience, such as HOAs, where some votes were given a weighted percent of a vote based upon % ownership within the rules of an HOA. A time share owner might only have 1/25th ownership and not given as much voting authority as a SFR homeowner in the same subdivision.

So some software will automatically only give a smaller percentage of the vote to some voters, or even combine votes and discard partial tallies.

Since nearly all the vote tallies are coming in at near the same percentage differences, it appears the tallying may have been influenced either sequentially from a centralized coordination control or by other means, not characteristic of the US voting mechanics.

There also were a litany of feverish ballot fillers, only checking one box, but then documenting their illegal ballot by copier or by cell phone picture. These frauds were not being perpetuated by very bright individuals, but they systemically were desperate to engage in what they could produce. IMHO, they were likely were baited to receive say >$100/vote they could fabricate from a Democrat based or foreign source, as an explanation of their behavior.

People do lots of things for lots of different reasons, but still for a reason. The hatred of Trump might be broadcast to influence the masses, but the videos of persons duplicating ballots and documenting the duplication, then counting them, indicates some other incentive.


123 posted on 11/11/2020 6:41:39 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Maine Mariner
I think the Fitz was originally a coal burner and was converted to N6 at the time of her lengthening. Coal ashes were dumped out the bottom of the boat. I wonder if this "update" might have played a roll...
124 posted on 11/11/2020 6:51:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

LOL!


125 posted on 11/11/2020 8:10:57 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Jemian

Thank you for the interest. The Tech College I went to was geared for shipping. The engines are massive running at around 70 to 120 rpm.

Believe it or not. To rebuild the crankshafts and to take them out, they have to cut the deck and slide/hoist them out. The rod caps are huge. You simply do not go in and take them out by hand. Jacks, chain hoists, and special tools.

The piston rods are connected to a cross head, then at the cross head the connecting rod runs to the crankshaft. If you imagine a old steam engine..that is how many of them are configured only vertical.

The newer great lakes freighters now days run diesels similar to RR locomotive engines. They go about 10 to 15 knots-or about 12 knots average.

The big diesels are in the big container ships. All are mostly two stroke engines.

MAN engine manufacturing makes a lot of them, for example.


126 posted on 11/11/2020 6:44:41 PM PST by crz
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To: AnxiouslyWaiting

Simply amazing isnt it? They go around the bends nearly sideways and work with the current. Then the dept changes constantly on the Ol Miss.


127 posted on 11/11/2020 6:46:58 PM PST by crz
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To: crz

Heavy oil use, including N6, 320 and 280 CST oil, has largely been banned from US waters since Jan 1, 2016. Sulfur in this fuel was nailed in this Obama edict.

The 1,000 footers ran Pielstick diesels for the most part. The Columbia Star and one of the Bethlehem Steel boats ran Rail Road type 2 stroke diesels.

The boats took this penalty, raised the cost of freight and removed the offending motors. BTUs in N2 diesel are about 140,000/gallon. N6 fuel had 150-152,000 BTUs.

I bought and sold millions of tons of these fuels...

Today, Interlake Steamship is the primary independent ore carrier. US Steel’s Great Lakes Fleet was sold to the CN Railroad a few years back (seemingly a violation of the Jones Act.) Columbia’s boats were sold off years earlier...
One Columbia boat, the Middletown, was a converted WW II oil tanker. She carried three battle stars.


128 posted on 11/12/2020 10:20:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I did not know they banned that. They keep going, they will be using steam engines again and firing with wood.

I did read an article some time ago though, where one shipping company was investigating doing just that and firing with wood pellets. Cant remember where and what publication it was now.
Its either that or going back to sail..

There are a couple small companies in Escanaba MI that are pushing them with tug boats. People have NO CLUE how important our inland waters are. River towboats alone can transport WAY more than trains can.


129 posted on 11/12/2020 11:04:01 AM PST by crz
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To: crz

There was a move toward scrubbers but it failed to materialize in the American fleet. I think the Canuks have one or two. Seeing the Obama mandate coming, many refineries that depended on the steamship trade to take away their N6, shifted to producing a veriety of asphalt products.

The Husky plant in Superior, WI moved to making roofing flux shortly before the explosion two years ago. Rebuilding the plant has taken a very long time...

Now, Husky has sold its facility to another Canadian firm...


130 posted on 11/12/2020 11:17:23 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I remember going along up to Duluth to Halversons to pick up a load of snow machines when I was a senior in high school.
We eta at a pretty good place along the bottom street and it started to rain. A real nasty thunderstorm. Was the first time I got to see manhole covers blow and parked cars slide down the street sideways.


131 posted on 11/12/2020 1:30:01 PM PST by crz
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To: Ciaphas Cain

RIP to all those lost.
...and the faces and the names
of the wives and the sons and the daughters.


132 posted on 11/10/2022 10:46:37 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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