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Neanderthals And Humans Were at War For Over 100,000 Years, Evidence Shows
(Fake) ScienceAlert ^ | November 3, 2020 | Nicholas R. Longrich, The Conversation

Posted on 11/06/2020 9:22:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: SunkenCiv

Crazy Ted Holden has an interesting take on the impossibility of the larger dinosaurs having the muscle strength to stand in Earth’s current gravity. Elephants are as big as it gets on the planet these days. Ted presents data on muscle strength as a function of cross section of muscle mass vs compression loading on legs and hips and tension loading on necks and tails. The largest dinos stood around 40’ tall. Computing for pressure gives a pressure of about 18 lbs in sq, whereas human blood pressure is about 2 lbs per in sq. A human blood pressure of 3 lbs per in sq would blow out into an anurism and cause blood to leak into the lymph system and cause fatal swelling throughout the body. So unless dinosaur had galvanized pipe for blood vessels, there is a serious hydrostatic issue there.

Additionally, the cantilever forces on neck and tail sinews with the dino’s neck extended horizontally would tear any sort of collagen molecule cabling that known biology would be capable of.

There is also the problem of pressure head in pumping blood to the dinosaur’s head. Giraffes are barely able to pump blood to their brains and easily suffer cardiovascular collapse when highly stressed. Pumping blood any higher than a giraffe’s head would lead to congestive heart failure and bleeding out through capillary permeability.

Frankly, I think crazy Ted hammered it on this one, but I am aware that he goes off the deep end on other of his fave issues. And, yah, neanderthal eye sockets aren’t really that much bigger than cromagnon eye sockets, and eyeball size certainly is no indicator of enhanced night vision.

Here’s a suggestion - instead of waving people off a particular theory as crackpot, why not point to the crackpot’s evidence and let people decide for themselves. Here’s Ted’s analysis of dinosaur scaling -

http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/sauropods/biganims.html


21 posted on 11/06/2020 10:34:10 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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Can't be posted to FR on copyright grounds, but click on the link and read the last paragraph, that's where the money is:

22 posted on 11/06/2020 10:42:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

https://www.quora.com/Was-the-gravity-pull-lower-when-the-dinosaurs-roamed-Earth


23 posted on 11/06/2020 10:53:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
humanity split in two. One group stayed in Africa, evolving into us. The other struck out overland

How do humans and Neanderthals have a common ancestor in Africa if Neanderthal DNA doesn't show up in modern Africans?

24 posted on 11/06/2020 11:29:43 AM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: G Larry
That's an insult....

To Neanderthals...They are much smarter than the Democrats...

25 posted on 11/06/2020 12:59:14 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable family...even the dog is, too. :-) Trump 2020)
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To: PistolPaknMama
Do you have a source for your DNA assertion?

The "Neanderthal not human hoax" precedes any DNA tracing.

26 posted on 11/06/2020 1:12:07 PM PST by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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To: DoodleBob

“while MacArthur announced that he and his family intended to “share the fate of the garrison” on Corregidor, he ultimately left.”

Reliable sources say that he had written out and signed his resignation, and was preparing to ride over to Bataan to enlist and fight as a private, when his wife took him into a room for a little chat. Apparently no one knows what she said, but when they emerged he obeyed his orders from President Roosevelt.

“anything other than this madness could be the elixir needed over the next four years.”

After four years of leftwad misrule, the United States—which is to say, truth, justice, and the American way—will have disappeared from the surface of this planet for a thousand years.


27 posted on 11/06/2020 2:13:22 PM PST by dsc (Do not pray for easy lives; pray to be stronger men.)
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To: dsc
After four years of leftwad misrule, the United States—which is to say, truth, justice, and the American way—will have disappeared from the surface of this planet for a thousand years.

I felt the same way during the Carter years, Obama, and a few other times in this Nation's history.

I'm not saying this is all great, or Trump should give up, or let's hold hands and get along. However, America's eulogy has been drafted several times. I don't think we're at The End right now.

28 posted on 11/06/2020 3:35:03 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: DoodleBob

Well, I hope that you are right and I am wrong.


29 posted on 11/06/2020 6:13:21 PM PST by dsc (Do not pray for easy lives; pray to be stronger men.)
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To: G Larry
Why do people pretend that Neanderthals are not human?

Part of it has to do with evolution. Making the Neanderthals humans does away with a lot of link evidence. That is the sane and rational supposition.

Crackpot conspiracy theory follows but stay with me.

Let's say we manage to clone a Neanderthal. If they are not human why then they are animals and thus property.

There are a bunch of people in the world who do not like the fact that in advanced countries slavery is done away with. And it is not just the guys on top either. There are some bottom dwellers who wish there were still slaves around just because then they would have someone to feel superior to.

There is a movement on to make "not quite humans" who can be harvested and used like property.

People have some dark stuff in their souls.

30 posted on 11/06/2020 6:22:37 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Split skull, literally one, and no trail of evidence pointing to the killer -- f any, maybe a rock fell on his head, maybe he fell out of a tree.

Axe heads flying off and hitting someone in the head and accidentally killing them was such a common problem that it was actually used as the example of someone committing accidental homicide.

The killer was to flee to one of the seven cities of refuge where he would be allowed to live in safety from the "avenger of blood", the relatives of the person he accidentally killed.

Having used a handled stone axe I can see how it could be a problem.

31 posted on 11/06/2020 6:30:11 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Thanks HTB.


32 posted on 11/08/2020 11:10:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: PistolPaknMama; G Larry
Neanderthals were very like us. We're remarkably similar in our skull and skeletal anatomy, and share 99.7 percent of our DNA.

33 posted on 11/08/2020 11:12:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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