Gitmo (finally) being prepped to receive new prisoners! (FR Exclusive)

Microlithic Technologies ^ | 18 October 2020 | TXnMA

[little jeremiah]

Here’s the clip of Graham asking Kavanaugh about mil. tribnals for civilians. Transcription is below the video, 4:31 long.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4747307/user-clip-sen-graham-asks-military-tribunals

Lindsay Graham asks Kavanaugh about 9/11 and the Law of Armed Conflict.

And, for reading pleasure, here is an article about the exchange.

https://steemit.com/news/@dailystorm/military-tribunals-commissioned-to-prosecute-traitors-in-the-us

Snip

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh described the difference between military law and criminal law during his confirmation hearing, in response to questions from Republican Senator Lindsey Graham.

“American citizens who collaborate with the enemy are considered enemy combatants?” Graham asked. “They can be. They are sometimes criminally prosecuted, sometimes treated in the military, under supreme court precedent,” Judge Kavanaugh replied.

“There is a supreme court decision that said that American citizens that collaborated with Nazi saboteurs were tried by the military. I think a couple of them were executed,” Graham said. “If anybody doubts, there is a long standing history in this country that your constitutional rights follow you wherever you go, but you don’t have a constitutional right to turn on your own government and collaborate with the enemy of the nation, you will be treated differently,” Graham concluded. Kavanaugh agreed.

Numerous crimes in the UCMJ carry the death penalty, including aiding the enemy, mutiny or sedition, spying for the enemy and espionage.

“Any person who aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly; shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.”

“A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.”

[Cobra64]

Thanks for the clarification. It is more nuanced than I understood. Thanks!

[little jeremiah]

Glad to be of use.

[nutmeg]

LOL! We can dream, can’t we? :-D

[BTerclinger]

😊

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Ping

[jjotto]

Yep. They seem to rerun this story every few weeks.

It’s a big Navy base. Thousands of military and employees there. Not just a detention center.

[greeneyes]

Ha. Wouldn’t that be a great thing if that happened before Thanksgiving? We’d all have an extra thing to be thankful for.

[oldtech]

Wondering if his feelings would change after serving a couple lifetimes there?

[oldtech]

Wouldn’t that be just be about the best reason for Thanksgiving ever?

[BTerclinger]

yep!

[TXnMA]

"It’s a big Navy base. Thousands of military and employees there. Not just a detention center."

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It is -- but, but greatly diminished in function and importance since the days when...

...the Fleet moored in Guantanamo Bay. Nowadays you never see a capital ship -- and it's only rarely that you even see the odd C-130 at the Leeward Point airfield. And, even then, only during hurricane hunting season...

In fact, if you follow the link in my comment #1, you'll see an architect's proposal for a detention facility occupying "Phillips Park" -- land once set aside for "Fleet Crew Recreation". You can even observe the feature-matching procedure I used to match the CGI sketch site to Phillips Park -- where, to date, nothing has been built...

And -- it's not rumor that recent budgets show specific 8-digit $ authorizations for "Upgrading Prisoner Capacity" at Gitmo.

Besides, why build Naval facilities a ferry-trip across the bay, when there's plenty of land adjacent to the Naval Station?

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Ever hear of "intel"? That's how it's done.

TXnMA

[greeneyes]

Yep. :-)

[Cvengr]

They don’t have to put piranha in the waters.
They’re already there. Just ask Boatswain who has chipped paint on the side of a ship there.

[little jeremiah]

Bumping this informative and fascinating thread.

[TXnMA]

"They don’t have to put piranha in the waters. They’re already there. Just ask Boatswain who has chipped paint on the side of a ship there."

Interesting! The bay would be on the extreme high end of piranha's salinity survival range.

I know a Navy Vet who spent a long tour at Gitmo; I will ask him.

I also know that there's an official recreational diving site in the entrance channel -- but have no info on diving in the Bay..

The entire point is moot, however. There is zero evidence that plans to put prison barges at Gitmo are anything but unsubstantiated internet rumor. For example, the touted big capital outlay for refurbishing a pier for berthing prison barges turned out to be bogus. OHI surveillance of the pier project that required a delay and expense for "diamond-core drilling" of some piers...

...revealed it was not "re-furbed" -- it was totally removed:

And, to date, there has been zero OHI evidence of any big barges anywhere at Gitmo.

TXnMA

[TXnMA]

"If anyone believes Americans are going to be imprisoned at GITMO for domestic crimes, please contact me ASAP. "

Do you consider Treason -- or Conspiracy to Commit Treason -- as "domestic crimes"?

Before you make more of a fool of yourself, you should probably read the Gorsuch-Graham transcript re "The Law of Armed Conflict vs Basic Criminal Law".

TXnMA

[ETCM]

Before you make more of a fool of yourself

Thanks. I almost spit coffee on my keyboard!

[TXnMA]

Thanks! You almost got me, too -- but I didn't quite have my cup to my mouth... '-)

Should have said, "Before you get busted for selling bridges under false pretenses..."

TXnMA '-)

[Does so]

“And Obama...to clean their toilets.”

And to serve coffee...