Posted on 10/06/2020 7:09:21 AM PDT by Capt. Tom
We have seen cancellations of cruises time and again over the last six-month period. So who can say for sure that we will be cruising again in November?
It’s a difficult question that requires many people, institutions, and companies to come together and make a uniform decision on the future of cruising from the U.S.
So let’s have a look at who is involved, and what their standpoints are.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is the institution that is ultimately responsible for protecting the American public’s health and safety. The CDC, therefore, has a big say in the future of cruising in the U.S. and U.S. territories.
Let’s be clear on this. The CDC has no say on cruising in any other part of the world. That’s why European countries are allowing cruising, and why there are plans for cruises to resume in the Caribbean and Asia in October.
So although there has been a No Sail Order for cruise ships leaving from U.S. ports, which does have a significant impact on the Cruise Industry, it is by no means meant for all ships around the world.
So what is the CDC saying? Well, as we mentioned recently, the head of the CDC, Dr. Robert Redfield, had initially wanted to extend the No Sail Order until February at the least. So a No Sail Order until October 31 does by no means say that cruising will start in November. It only means that there will be no cruises until November.
Without any significant changes and a vaccine, there is a good chance that the CDC will try to extend the No Sail Order further. They are in no way convinced that safe sailing can occur at this time.
The Major Cruise Lines: Carnival, Royal Caribbean and Norwegian
The three primary players on the market have a difficult decision to make and we already know that Norwegian Cruise Line has announced an extended suspension through November. Do we push to start cruising as soon as possible and run the risk of damaging our name, or do we extend further on our terms but run the risk of financial ruin?
Any cruise line that starts operating from a U.S. port will be under intense scrutiny from the press, politics, CDC, and the public. Once there is a case on board a ship, which is not handled correctly, or this could be interpreted as not adequately handled, the company running that ship will be thoroughly investigated and reported on by the press, social media, politicians, and CDC.
The cruise operators could say that they will voluntarily back off until the New Year at the least. However, extending cruising for any more significant amount of time will surely bring these operators to the point of immediate financial need.
Many say that financial support to the cruise lines would be impossible due to the flags and registrations of convenience these companies have. However, the Bank of England and the U.K. government recently approved a £325 million loan to Carnival Plc. and Royal Caribbean. A construction the U.S. government could choose to copy.
In that case, it would not be unreasonable for the cruise operators to halt operations voluntarily. This will take all the pressure away of having to wait for the CDC to make a decision and implementing protocols that, let’s face it, will only cost more money.
The Guests The CDC has made claims that there are cruise ships with outbreaks on board, and therefore is not convinced that cruising can be done safely right now. The claims that the CDC has made have so far not been backed up by facts, as you can hear about in this video.
In the meantime, the cruise operators have made safe sailing panels and an enormous amount of protocols and operating procedures to make sailing safe again. They are convinced that their procedures are sufficient and that they can guarantee the safety of those sailing onboard.
If sailing in November will be allowed, if the CDC, the cruise lines, and the U.S. government manage to reach a consensus, a part of the public still needs to be convinced that sailing onboard cruise ships is indeed safe.
A different part of the public needs to be convinced to adhere to the procedures in place onboard. Protocols and procedures that, in many ways, go much further than any procedure or protocol ashore.
We’ve seen this with MSC cruises in Europe, which have already refused re-entry to the ship, and expelled people from the ship for not following protocol.
All in all, a November sailing seems to be an incredibly complex issue, one that has too many fingers in the pot to be able to reach that consensus in time for the cruise ships to start preparations. Because, let’s not forget, that the cruise lines themselves have said it will take at least 30 days from the word go that they will be able to operate.
At first I wondered why early on some lines just cancelled all 2020 cruises. Maybe they figured there are two many complicating factors to be cleared up this year.
As I say we are not in charge anymore, the events are in charge so lets see how this works out. - Tom
Reopening and having anybody show-up are two different things.
You can see that around here with restaurants.
That’s what I was thinking. Even if cruise lines get back to business, will anyone want to take a cruise now?
And if they can get some customers by deeply discounting their cruise fares, is that economically viable for them?
Same in my area south of Boston.
The problem the cruise lines have is also many employees and expensive ships to maintain if they are not cruising. -Tom
Having been on 6 cruises, which I LOVED...Who in their right mind would go on a cruise NOW? or EVER?
The issue with both is that heavy-handed COVID rules make dining or cruising such an unpleasant experience that most people would rather stay home.
BTW, most cruises involve air travel. Who in their right mind would get on an airplane today, or EVER if they didn’t have to.
Booked a cruise with Holland America in April 2021, Caribbean.
Have been on then several times before, they sent me an offer for a basically free cruise except for port charges. Did have to make a small deposit to reserve that I get back if I get on board. Small enough deposit I’m willing to risk in case of bankruptcy or something else. Could be vaccine by then.
We saw multiple cruise ships leaving port here in Miami on Sunday. It was weird, to be honest. We didn’t see any passengers, so we weren’t sure where they were going.
I don’t expect cruises to start up again until February 2021 at earliest. And then, only on Carnival and Royal Caribbean, the companies who have the resources to weather what just happened this year.
Hell yeah, let’s get on an airplane (s) with people we don’t know, from all over the country/world (and breathe their air), then get on a ship crowded with old people from who knows where and a crew that is literally from all over the WORLD.
That would almost be like going to one of those HIV bug chasing parties. /s
No thank you, even if the cruise was FREE! (including airfare).
Reopening will be meaningless if it means getting bullied around by dozens of these new insane rules of no shore excursions outside of a group, and masks. If it isn’t normal it’ll be not worth it. Sad for the people who work in the industry.
Might have a hard time finding ports that will let them dock & disembark.
Buckeye McFrog wrote: “Reopening and having anybody show-up are two different things. You can see that around here with restaurants.”
We certainly will not ‘show up’ as long as these ridiculous protocols remain in effect.
Dilbert San Diego wrote: “That’s what I was thinking. Even if cruise lines get back to business, will anyone want to take a cruise now?”
You might be surprised. Cruise Critic is the major social media site for cruisers. Most posters are eager to resume sailing. In fact, they’re very upset that Florida is reopening without restrictions. They are more worried that they will catch the CV while traveling from the airport to the ship than they are worried about the ship.
Last night, just after dark, I saw what I thought was a cruise ship heading towards Miami/Ft. Laud. I’m near Jupiter, FL. I guessing they are out getting “sea legs”
From the article: “In the meantime, the cruise operators have made safe sailing panels and an enormous amount of protocols and operating procedures to make sailing safe again. They are convinced that their procedures are sufficient and that they can guarantee the safety of those sailing onboard.”
Royal Caribbean and Norwegian published their proposal for Safe Sailing. It listed five objectives. Not one of them related to having a good and enjoyable cruise.
Actually, the restaurants in Scituate are hopping. The new one on Front Street. is packed every day..inside and out.
Tortola is scheduled to reopen for tourists on Dec. 1. Just in time for our Trump 2020 Victory Cruise aboard the Celebrity Edge embarking on Dec. 6 from Port Everglades. San Juan and Philipsburg, our other two destinations have already reopened.
I have eaten there with my wife, at the HIBERNIAN, it was good, but I am referring to Breakfast Restaurants where I usually take my wife 7 days a week, to 12 different breakfast restaurants.
I don't do that anymore on a weekly basis, and am relegated to bagels and cream cheese and a sausage egg and cheese sandwich from take out for breakfast.
And most restaurants are operating on reduced capacity, because of the spacing.
The cooler weather will now start to affect outdoor dining, notice Front St. is now open to traffic where it was closed Thurs thru Sunday in the late afternoon and evening for outdoor dining.-Tom
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