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Aircraft Carriers: Bigger Is Better
US Naval Institute ^ | September 2020 | Captain Talbot Manvel, U.S. Navy (Retired)

Posted on 09/10/2020 2:07:16 PM PDT by Retain Mike

A number of Proceedings articles and commentaries in the past several years have advanced the idea of saving money and fulfilling the vision of “distributed maritime operations” by building a fleet of more, smaller, lighter ships. For aircraft carriers, that argument tends to take the shape of more “Lightning carriers”—based on the hull form of amphibious assault ships such as the USS America (LHA-6) class—and fewer nuclear-powered carriers of the Nimitz (CVN-68) and Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) classes.

While LHAs are cheaper to build than CVNs ($3 billion vs. $10 or more billion), the argument misses several key principles that allow CVNs to pack a lot more punch (orders of magnitude more, in fact) and deliver it more economically—and more combat effectively—than the smaller flattops.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; bigfat; cvn; lha; navy
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To: pfflier
The U.S.S. Saratoga (CV-3) did not technically survive the war as a combat vessel. She was badly damaged by Kamikaze attacks during the Battle of Iwo Jima, towed back to the west coast and converted into a training vessel and troop transport.

I also did not count the U.S.S. Ranger (CV-4) as its combat vessel service was entirely in the Atlantic, mostly for aircraft transport and anti-submarine warfare duty. While never damaged in combat like its sister Saratoga, it too was called back before the end of the war and converted into a training carrier and transport vessel.

So, yes, technically, the U.S.S. Enterprise was the only big combat carrier that survived the war. The other two were converted before the war's end. Survive they did, but not as combat vessels.

61 posted on 09/10/2020 7:10:40 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Izzatso

A carrier is a primary target not for being a huge target yo, it is a primary target because it is a floating frakin’ base for strike aircraft.....


62 posted on 09/11/2020 1:36:13 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Vermont Lt
Wouldn’t they be visible from space?

Possibly depending on the weather. But if satellites cover all the earth then they come around to the same location infrequently and you would have to be able to zoom in on all parts of the ocean, which are massive areas in the Pacific and South China sea. You would need a ton of stationary satellites over vast areas of the ocean to cover it all.

Carriers are among the fastest ships in the fleet +30knots so if the information you finally get is dated, the carrier is no longer in that location.

Another thing the US excels in is reconnaissance which helps us to avoid air and sea based enemy assets.
63 posted on 09/11/2020 3:27:26 AM PDT by microgood
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To: Retain Mike

And the puff piece omits that he biggest CVN of all, the Ford, is so screwed up it cannot be fixed in the foreseeable future and has been relegated to a training ship.

Further the Navy is going to build 4 more identical useless CVN targets. These Brass pleasing targets join the now soon to be scrapped LCS ships, the DD-1000 class destroyers which may be made into missile platforms. Oh and the rail gun failure.

If there is on thing the Navy is good at these days is wasting 10s of billions of dollars on ‘concept’ ships.

In any conflict with a peer like China, the CVNs will have to stand off so far that their planes will be useless.

Puff piece


64 posted on 09/11/2020 4:31:07 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Revel
I personally believe that these ships will be the first to go in a major war.

It's not how many ships you have at the beginning of a naval war. Rather, it is only important how many you have at the end.

65 posted on 09/11/2020 4:35:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Retain Mike

We need a mix of conventional and nuclear CV’s.


66 posted on 09/11/2020 4:36:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Izzatso

It is almost impossible to sink a CVN out right. A heavily damaged warship can be repaired but we need to re industrialize the USA. That is the core problem. Thanks Free Traitors™.


67 posted on 09/11/2020 4:40:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: crz

Wow the bath tub CV hating admirals are out in full force. Does China pay you to troll these threads?


68 posted on 09/11/2020 4:42:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: doorgunner69
Wow, I get it. The USA would be better off with any carrier battle groups. As matter of fact why not just scuttle all 11 CVN's and use the money for welfare.
69 posted on 09/11/2020 4:44:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Time marches on. Space will be the next battlefield, and technology will replace most of what we see of today’s surface navy, imho. Smart, ai enabled, and super fast vehicles will be able to transit great distances very quickly and eliminate much of what today’s carriers project.

Resistance to change is a human failing, and no organization resists change quite like the military. Washington does love these super expensive weapons systems (a large, deep trough for many to feed from), so I don’t expect to see much in the way of change.


70 posted on 09/11/2020 5:04:57 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: Retain Mike

What is the range of the Fighter and attack aircraft? Is the larger size the need for more tankers to fuel the low fuel capacity of the aircraft necessitates the ship to operate at longer ranges because of the newer anti ship missles


71 posted on 09/11/2020 5:14:36 AM PDT by ballplayer (By)
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To: central_va

I see the make believe Johnny Rebs have come out from under the rocks.

Get back under your rock Johnny, your opinions aint worth spit round here.


72 posted on 09/11/2020 6:07:46 AM PDT by crz
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To: Retain Mike

Carriers exist for the same reason wheels were put on cannon, all about getting the big gun closer to the enemy.


73 posted on 09/11/2020 6:57:58 AM PDT by itsahoot (The ability to read auto correct is necessary to read my posts understanding them is another matter.)
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